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Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
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Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#32Tech moves fast. OpenAI moved faster while Google slowed down. It's like Google stopped for gas, bathroom breaks, and lunch in a road rally while OpenAI ignored the speed limits.
This happens frequently in high tech. This is not the 1st, 10th, or 100th time the old guard got left behind in tech.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#33Because OpenAI is a single team with a singular focus.
Google is a behemoth with multiple products and a lot of people with opinions who you have to get through to launch a product.
Also, OpenAI has not unseated Google's dominance in search nor do I see this happening.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#34I don't think google lost ground to OpenAI in terms of technology, but losing it in terms of reputation. People no longer view Google as a shining model of engineering success anymore. I work in cloud space, GCP is almost an afterthought now. ChatGPT actually put Azure into better light than AWS.
I feel like GCP's losing ground to AWS and Azure has been a trend for at least before AI, though perhaps you're saying the same thing, that Google has long lost the reputational lead. I can't speak from experience, but what I hear from friends of friends is that Azure is really on the come up, though in my experience AWS has still been the default. GCP seemed to be more tempting when they were the only ones throwing…
Azure has tons of Microsoft-entrenched enterprises where discounts on Office 365 are a valid argument for choosing the entire cloud stack.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#35to be fair openai still got a lot of shortcomings
but that is nothing compared to how google crafted products then threw them to the graveyard, which did them bad
add a shit demo of bard to that, i dont know anymore, they got massive $$$ to compete in that area but i dont know: lack of vision? lack of people in charge? only insiders in bard could tell
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#36I think Google are way to slow and careful in integrating new technology into their products, even if they are the ones developing the technology.
Take for example Gmail, Docs, and any other of their products. The generative stuff exists for a while. Did they implement it into Gmail? Well, yes, a while ago they introduced Compose. Does it generate any text besides super common phrases like "see you tomorrow"? Not reallly. Their leaders are too careful and scared tbh.
Finally, in most big tech companies it's not easy to make major changes without a huge effort and push from leadership. That's because many teams are involved and people move pretty often, so you have huge part of the codebase that even the people who own it don't know very well. So teams prefer not to touch it unless they have to.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#37I don't think google lost ground to OpenAI in terms of technology, but losing it in terms of reputation. People no longer view Google as a shining model of engineering success anymore. I work in cloud space, GCP is almost an afterthought now. ChatGPT actually put Azure into better light than AWS.
I feel like GCP's losing ground to AWS and Azure has been a trend for at least before AI, though perhaps you're saying the same thing, that Google has long lost the reputational lead. I can't speak from experience, but what I hear from friends of friends is that Azure is really on the come up, though in my experience AWS has still been the default. GCP seemed to be more tempting when they were the only ones throwing…
Azure is giving out a lot of credits, I mean in the millions on some of the big contracts.
Re: Ask HN: How did Google lose so much ground to OpenAI?
#38IMO gpt represents a more optimal way to find answers than search. That is disruptive to googles business . Paid search becomes obsolete when your assistant (ai) can more effectively answer your questions. The big disruption IMO happens when an AI is connected to search like what Bing is doing… but google can’t do that without dramatically hurting their search ads business - not sure MS can execute on the user experience to be the ultimate solution to break google but as llama and perhaps other GPTs are available or built googles monopoly on information is definitely at risk. since the business model of monetizing search ads is no longer feasible with a generative chat based window to information that appears to be possible very soon as demonstrated by chatgpt…
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