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Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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“One does not _simply_ not install the latest iOS” -Boromir Biggest flaw of iOS in my experience, I have lost over $1000 in apps not operable due to iOS updates. The apps work fine on my older iOS version devices which have since died due to battery issues.

So you have apps that you paid real money for, but they haven't been updated in at least half a decade? Isn't it worrying that the developer doesn't care enough to check out their code, compile and resubmit?

Many developers care enough to create an updated version ("v2") that users have to buy in order to use the app again.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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post #15

“One does not _simply_ not install the latest iOS” -Boromir Biggest flaw of iOS in my experience, I have lost over $1000 in apps not operable due to iOS updates. The apps work fine on my older iOS version devices which have since died due to battery issues.

I think it’s interesting how software has longevity expectations from some customers that physical products don’t have. How long is a dinner or drinks supposed to last before you buy another one? How long is your house supposed to last before you need to make repairs? How long is gasoline supposed to last before you buy more? Vacation? Movie tickets? Hotel rooms? Flights? Appliances? Clothes? Shoes? Furniture? Maybe…

How long is a book that you bought supposed to last until the license expires and you have to buy it again?

How long is a vinyl record that you bought supposed to last until the license expires and you have to buy it again?

How long is a wedding ring supposed to last until it needs to be replaced?

How long is my cast iron skillet supposed to work until it falls apart and I have to buy a new one?

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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I'm curious how you managed to spend $1000 on apps?

Enterprise

I was under the impression the vast majority of enterprise software is either on a subscription, or you pay for it through their dashboard and then install the app, especially if the alternative means Apple takes a 30% cut.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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“One does not _simply_ not install the latest iOS” -Boromir Biggest flaw of iOS in my experience, I have lost over $1000 in apps not operable due to iOS updates. The apps work fine on my older iOS version devices which have since died due to battery issues.

So you have apps that you paid real money for, but they haven't been updated in at least half a decade? Isn't it worrying that the developer doesn't care enough to check out their code, compile and resubmit?

These apps worked fine, and were for specific types of measurements. They weren’t broken, they were finished. Apple just pulled the rug. Actually, everyone benefits except the consumers when this happens, because push comes to shove, they will just release a new one with the same price or as a SAAS.

I totally see the benefit of windows in these situations.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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post #8

“One does not _simply_ not install the latest iOS” -Boromir Biggest flaw of iOS in my experience, I have lost over $1000 in apps not operable due to iOS updates. The apps work fine on my older iOS version devices which have since died due to battery issues.

I'm curious how you managed to spend $1000 on apps?

There were some >800$ sound monitoring apps to do FFT analysis and data output.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious how you managed to spend $1000 on apps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Rich

Ha, I hope there is a museum in 100 years that has the original iphone with that app installed and running continuously until the end of time.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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Probably a bit late, but I think if you want to preserve an iOS version before updating, you have to back it up with the sync tool. At least that is how you do it when installing beta versions and want to rollback, if you don't have the backup, you're out of luck.

the Simulator has improved a lot over recent years I've found. We couldn't use it for ages as accessing metal would cause it to crash, I noticed late last year this no longer happens, making it a viable solution for us again.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s interesting how software has longevity expectations from some customers that physical products don’t have. How long is a dinner or drinks supposed to last before you buy another one? How long is your house supposed to last before you need to make repairs? How long is gasoline supposed to last before you buy more? Vacation? Movie tickets? Hotel rooms? Flights? Appliances? Clothes? Shoes? Furniture? Maybe…

Are software consumables like food and gasoline? Do you throw away your entire house after 5 years? What about your books? Movies? Music? Photos? Art? You can take a 20 year old+ copy of Windows software that shipped on a CD-ROM in a paper box and it'll probably work just fine on Windows 10, maybe it needs some compatibility setting checked or absolute worst case an XP or 2000 VM. Meanwhile what do you do with an 8 y…

I’m not saying there aren’t any products that last a lifetime, but it’s a lot less common than most people think.

Houses are a great example. They absolutely crumble without constant maintenance. Water heater every 10 years, roof every 20, hardwood refinishing as needed, paint, GFCIs wear out, every type of appliance and HVAC item, repairing drywall, caulking bathrooms, and the list goes on and on.

Physical media wears out. Book pages get sun and moisture damage, wear from use, discs rot, vinyls get damaged just by being played. Film and printed photos fade.

In the case of textbooks and other non-fiction, information itself can become outdated.

Sure, the advent of digital technology should mean data doesn’t suffer from the woes of the physical realm, but that’s not even really half of the discussion.

Even those old boxed pieces of software, simply getting them to run usually isn’t always helpful. Is my tax software from 1999 going to have any functional purpose? Will I be able to get a job as a graphic designer anymore if my tools support 256 colors? If someone else made a better PDF than Acrobat Reader 1.0 would I have any desire to use the copy I already own?

Another analogy: if I could be given a brand new classic car but it needed leaded gasoline and got 10 MPG, is the fact that it lasted a lifetime relevant to me for the purposes of daily driving?

Basically, what I’m saying is that “surviving” and “maintaining value” are different things, and that putting things into the buckets of of “consumable” and “durable” good is a little too binary compared to the real world.

Sure, the smartphone distribution model means that old applications aren’t as resilient as WIN32 apps, but that doesn’t automatically mean that the current model isn’t acceptably durable.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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post #32
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s interesting how software has longevity expectations from some customers that physical products don’t have. How long is a dinner or drinks supposed to last before you buy another one? How long is your house supposed to last before you need to make repairs? How long is gasoline supposed to last before you buy more? Vacation? Movie tickets? Hotel rooms? Flights? Appliances? Clothes? Shoes? Furniture? Maybe…

How long is a book that you bought supposed to last until the license expires and you have to buy it again? How long is a vinyl record that you bought supposed to last until the license expires and you have to buy it again? How long is a wedding ring supposed to last until it needs to be replaced? How long is my cast iron skillet supposed to work until it falls apart and I have to buy a new one?

Wedding rings need to be cleaned, and some common materials like rose and white gold are not finishes that last forever. Many popular stones are actually quite easily damaged. Settings can loosen and stones can fall out.

The mere act of playing a vinyl records damages it. It’s a terrible example.

All my college textbooks are unacceptably outdated except for basic foundational math and science, but today’s kids are actually taught basic arithmetic in more effective ways than how I learned it.

Even non-academic prose eventually needs to be translated or supplemented as vernacular changes. Religious texts come to mind: the Bible we know as the “King James Version” has been revised dozens of times. [1]

Cast iron skillets are items that fall into that 10% category of “can actually last a few lifetimes” but as I mentioned in my original comment, my point is that this is a rarity.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version, footnote 96

Give the original text a try: https://www.originalbibles.com/the-original-king-james-bible...

It’s decently readable, but archaic enough to be difficult to follow. Spellings like “yeere” instead of “year” are all over the place. And while this is 17th century text, you barely have to leave the 20th century to find prose that’s difficult to parse without updated language.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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post #15

“One does not _simply_ not install the latest iOS” -Boromir Biggest flaw of iOS in my experience, I have lost over $1000 in apps not operable due to iOS updates. The apps work fine on my older iOS version devices which have since died due to battery issues.

I think it’s interesting how software has longevity expectations from some customers that physical products don’t have. How long is a dinner or drinks supposed to last before you buy another one? How long is your house supposed to last before you need to make repairs? How long is gasoline supposed to last before you buy more? Vacation? Movie tickets? Hotel rooms? Flights? Appliances? Clothes? Shoes? Furniture? Maybe…

Zork still works, most software can certainly be ‘finished’ and requires no upgrades.

One of the current issues with mobile development is that moore’s law has finished, so any update that hits performance is actually a step back. However, SWEs get paid based on deploys, so everyone has an incentive to get things in the final OS and slow down the phone.

Oh well

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