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Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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In some areas a "community" culture¹ of "you shall behave - you will behave" has declined into a sort of anarchy of "everything passes"; once you were corrected, and now you are no more; once people would stand and say "wrong behaviour" directly, today such framework is greatly weakened, which causes all kind of deviations. Such weakening encourages abuse and exploitation. ¹Note that said community culture was not re…

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Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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Society is visibly decomposing before our eyes. You can tell because trust no longer exists. And those who trust, get burned, because they're taken advantage of. The issue is without trust, society does not exist. What's coming is frankly scary to me.

I think trust still exists among individuals and in social groups. But yeah trusting others on the Internet makes no sense. I think we‘ll look back at the web2 era and say it was naive to trust in a www user‘s good faith actions and assume western morals. The Internet is global, heterogen and trust cannot exist among individuals unless one or more parties have a lot of skin in the game e.g. through identity.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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In the context of tech, the normalisation of grift happened in the last decade. This is due to 2 factors IMO : cryptocurrency ; and, separately, the "tech is the new Wall Street" situation, with an increased influx of tech workers who, compared with the previous generation, tend to be more motivated by money than by societal impact.

What crypto currency did is that it showed everyone how fragile these internationally scaled algorithms are; and it blatantly exposed how bad they are for society. Take Google Maps for example: There are now many restaurants that have a rating that is far off from reality. This is because there is no or very little cost associated with leaving a review. So click farms have gotten wind of this and hence a restaurant o…

My take is that 10+ years ago, the average Google or Amazon engineer would have been comparatively more offended to see so many fake products, reviews, websites, fake everything on their platforms. Today, they see all this as someone else's problem.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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Because everything has to be a product nowadays, and keep on generating revenue. You don't want to make things that people will buy anymore. You need to maximize engagament, please investors, sell your user's telemetry to the highest bidder. I blame capitalism and especially America for this.

Dunno, a lot of this wave of scamming seems to be coming out of China and India as well, even if American companies like Amazon are ostensibly guilty of enabling and profiting from it.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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Since house prices started to become unattainable for the average individual without going 40 years into debt. Remove the problem of earning money to achieve independent housing, remove 75% of the hussle for most people to participate in scams.

I have this pet theory that no matter what goes wrong in the world - whether it's a pandemic, climate change, or the threat of nuclear annihilation, HNers will find a way of blaming it on housing prices.

Do you all live in California?

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree with this. The active removal of any (even semblance) of community in society, to be replaced with radical individualism, has been horribly detrimental. There is no shame, there is no right or wrong, there is no responsibility to others. And this extends to both sides of the political spectrum. The right glorify this "Don't step on me", "I don't care about others that don't exactly fit into my in-grou…

This is a very US centric concept, though. Whereas the original question was far more generic.

Anecdotally, this is something I notice in Europe, too.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

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Unfortunately users reviews are generally pretty useless. And the experts reviews are absent or difficult to find online, because there's not a real incentive for them to share it.

I came from an European country, a not heavy-populated area, where a lot of feedback are shared in the community. Before buying something, is helpful asking friend, relatives or colleagues about their previous experience and what model/brand they advise. I think is a great benefit that I missed when I went to live in other countries. There's less feedback sharing abroad and most of the people rely on: the same brand, the price of the product, the advice for shopping center staff (which are often biased). If I ask to some friend about a car mechanic or a restaurant advice, he would have no preference.

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