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Ask HN: Pros and cons of thinking in public vs. in private?

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Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of thinking in public vs. in private?

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The biggest con is that sometimes you'll be wrong. Embarrassingly so. It might be a prediction that was duff, a solution that was non-optimal, or an opinion that's so far out of mainstream it warns people off you. The best way to manage that is to show people in private before you publish. That can be as simple as having a friend or partner check your spelling. Or it can be as complex as getting several people to sen…

I do wish more folks were both fearless to be hilariously wrong, and that folks allowed it more. Instead, everything has to feel well rehearsed. It is exhausting to try and emulate. :(

Do you mean corporatese (corpspeak) and CEOspeak? You naturally learn to speak and write it publicly, not to upset cynical people. It comes without rehearsing with enough experience and is difficult to emulate.

You need to know the conversational minefield very well.

Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of thinking in public vs. in private?

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Think of this: can you possibly learn all aspects of a subject strictly using A priori knowledge? How about knowledge that comes through serendipity? The Manhattan project had to gather the knowledge of multitudes of thinkers in order to workout (risking the eventual leak). I see no reason to think in private unless you’re thinking of strictly personal ideas (which might benefit from other people’s critiques) or if you’re a philosopher trying to prove that you can gain extensive knowledge strictly a priori (Hegel comes to mind)

Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of thinking in public vs. in private?

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There are a few reasons I'm just another dog on the internet. Things can get awkward with coworkers or it could made finding employment difficult.

1. Mental health

My last job creatively fired me because HR got pissed at the increasing number of accommodations I needed due to new policies.

I really don't want to be thinking about it or discussing it at work anyway.

2. Fiction Writing

You know... some people don't really think about who writes the stories they read. It's always that amorphous someone, until they find out their coworker's favorite poison is strychnine.

As my friends say, you're not a writer until your search history has more red flags than a Chinese New Year. :)

3. What I think about my job

I've talked about places I've worked many times. Since all of it is from my perspective, I'm likely wrong about details or people's motivations. My memory isn't perfect. There's more than a fair amount of bitching. I do try to be accurate, but my opinions and perspectives change as I get older and look back.

Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of thinking in public vs. in private?

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When I journal (for my eyes only), I’m able to express my knowledge with personal experiences that are too boring, contextless, or controversial to post online. These thoughts still matter to me, so I keep them to myself.

Yesterday, I wrote about how if I hadn’t discovered weightlifting, I might not have gone to university. I reflected on myself at age 16 when I was mentally immature but interested in bodybuilding. Then I wrote about age 18, when the hard work started paying off, and my self-determination skyrocketed. Finally I wrote about age 20, when I made up my mind to study computer science, specifically because it was supposed to be challenging.

If I post these thoughts on social media, there’s a chance I’ll spark Socratic debates that I don’t particularly care about leading. When I do post the thoughts online, it’s usually because I hope my words land on the right person at the right time.

Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of thinking in public vs. in private?

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I write on https://www.oilshell.org/ for many of these same reasons:

Why I Keep a Research Blog https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22033792

(a great post from 2 years ago that I remembered)

- to make sure I really know something, rather than just being able to name it

- to calibrate myself -- there are always people more experienced, and it's useful to get feedback on whether you're making a mistake. Also to keep a sense of reality on a long project :)

Another great side effect is that a few skilled people have been reading my blog for YEARS and now want to help me finish the project! If it was just a random project with no writing/explanation, then that wouldn't have happened

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34221617

- I also do "documentation-driven development", where I write how something should work, and then implement it. If I can't "explain it with a straight face", then it's not the right design. Most of bash you CANNOT explain with a straight face :)

Personally I like writing on content-centric sites rather than person-centric sites (e.g. social media), because with social media your ego can get in the way. For example, some people mentioned here that there can be a tendency to "dig in" to positions attached to your identity, but I find that writing in public is a good way to do just the opposite -- adjust your positions based on the feedback of others

Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of thinking in public vs. in private?

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I'll specifically go into the pros of private thinking, as that's where you seem to be getting the least feedback.

1. Intent is preserved. When you write something publicly, your output are words that you constructed from your ideas and your intent. As others read it, they will have wildly different interpretations of the text, even if you write well. Thus, your original intent does not translate perfectly. You don't have this problem with private thinking, because you own the additional context and intent.

2. No self-censorship. You don't have to cater to anybody's liking of whatever your thoughts are. You don't need to win anybody's approval, and this allows for the brewing of fresh and pure thoughts.

3. Exclusivity. Maybe one of your ideas is of high value. Could simply be a rare skill you mastered, a trick unknown to the world, a little software asset you produced. The norm in our industry is to share wide and far. Write that blog post, open that Github project, etc. Alternatively, you can also keep it to yourself and leverage its value. Quite literally as leverage.

I imagine this last point to be somewhat controversial. By sharing far and wide, you'll be doing free labor for an industry that doesn't give a fuck about its volunteers. People will simply take your free shit and run with it, and often still complain about it. In light of such hostile and unrewarding environment, I have absolutely no moral problem with refusing to do free labor and keeping some things private and exclusive.

Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of thinking in public vs. in private?

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post #5

I used to blog, and to be honest, I am embarrassed of about 90% of my posts. I trimmed 90% of the posts that annoyed me a year later, and the 'cream' or the golden crop remain, the ones I am proud of, and had the most impact on people. My blog is in archive mode now. (BTW: Not linking to it here for privacy reasons). I am thinking of blogging again, only this time I might use a pseudonym so my ideas are not forever t…

I can empathize with this.

I also partially rewrite my old blog articles where I made a mistake, the status quo has evolved, or I want more SEO keyword hits. More authors probably do it, but it is not publicly spoken about - perhaps it is a little taboo. Some of my articles go viral after a rewrite. It saves time and allows me to refine the content over time.

Recently I've started putting notes about article edits at the end as news sites do. I firmly believe that news media used to do it in the past, but it was too taboo to admit to editing old articles. Things are changing now.

Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of thinking in public vs. in private?

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It's hard to change a public image once it's established. This makes it's harder to make dramatic shifts in perspective, regardless of new information that's presented. You're not just challenging yourself, but you are also challenging other people to change their idea of you.

Humor and sarcasm are hard to convey in writing. The more you know about your audience, the easier it is to make jokes. But you don't really know how much your public thinking will spread so you can't make as many assumptions about your audience.

Private thinking allows you to create a nuanced framework for yourself that's independent of public sentiment. If you start publicly, you have a lot more friction when trying to add nuance to your perspective. It's also easy to be influenced regarding what issues should be considered significant. In some cases that leads to a minority population/situation being overlooked.

I feel encouraged to share publicly when I want to defend a perspective I feel confident about or when I feel someone can be positively impacted by my writing. Choosing public vs private thinking is not something I actively decided on.

I think it's similar to the concept that the only stupid question is the one that remains unasked/unanswered. I think an unchallenged perspective is generally the weakest. And giving other people the benefit of the doubt, despite how poorly they may come off, is the best way to create healthy online discussions.

Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of thinking in public vs. in private?

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I am a huge proponent of journaling because it forces you to make your thoughts more solid and rigorous. All the benefits of journaling probably apply to 'thinking in public' as well. But the Hn discussions and blogs are very different genres with different conventions. These are all off the top of my head. I may add more later. PROS: improving communication and marketing skills, social interactions, receiving feedba…

it forces you to make your thoughts more solid and rigorous

Does it? I've gone back and reviewed some of the things I've written in my journal and found them to sound like crazy talk or what was obviously an emotion-fueled rant at the time.

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