Ask HN: Is it black holes all the way up?
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Re: Ask HN: Is it black holes all the way up?
#32Whil in reality it’s nothing but purely theoretical mathematical models operating on such a high level of abstraction and uncertainty that it is even hard to decide whether some of your questions make any sense or not.
Re: Ask HN: Is it black holes all the way up?
#33PBS Space Time [1] have many videos on various theories about this if you have some time to kill. I tend to lean towards the possibility that I am in the video game "Roy" [2] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/@pbsspacetime/search?query=black%20h... [2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH_QCIhSHLs
Re: Ask HN: Is it black holes all the way up?
#34> If the conditions at the bottom of two black hole "singularity"s are the same - you would expect parallel, equal universes to be generated each time. That's a strong no (for any sufficiently complex physical setup with moving parts, falling glasses won't shatter the same way twice). Two things here are relevant: 1) Lorentz (Butterfly) and Smale (Horseshoe Map) both proved that in some physical systems you can alway…
Yes, note that I say the equal universes situation only occurs if the conditions are the same (which I agree is unlikely). They would have to be exactly the same to result in copy universes given even the slightest variation in initial conditions would compound into vastly different outcomes. I think, in the black holes example this outcome is unlikely given even slightly more matter or quarks absorbed would differen…
Another point of interest is that our specific universe formed in a manner that left a "chaotic" biased imprint of early intial turbulence imprtinted across our sky in the Cosmic Microwave Background clumping.
While the variations are tiny deviations from uniformity they do exist and are thought to be random quantum fluctuations that expanded to a much larger size during inflation.
There is further conjecture about how these early random forces went on to seed the distribution and pattern of stars and galaxies.
In other words, the tiniest roll of dice during the seeding moments appear to have held sway over the form of entire galaxies.
Re: Ask HN: Is it black holes all the way up?
#35You have a basic assumption through your post that any of these events actually took or take place in a straightforward materialistic/mechanistic way. Whil in reality it’s nothing but purely theoretical mathematical models operating on such a high level of abstraction and uncertainty that it is even hard to decide whether some of your questions make any sense or not.
That said - I agree w/ the point about whether or not these questions even make sense to ask when we (collectively) ultimately know so little. This is why I wanted to ask it in a public forum in the first place - to test my understanding and to see if there are others I can learn from who might have a more advanced understanding. These aren't exactly questions that people will leap to answer in the office or in daily conversation. That's why I wanted to bring it here, where I feel people are generally more thoughtful and insightful concerning existential topics.
I've appreciated a lot of the links to other resources, and pushback on some of the assertions. They have been and are helpful!
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#36Short answer is the Big Bang theory is wrong. Physics has major problems including identity of dark matter and the whole quantum entanglement spooky action at a distance thingy. Mills has proposed a purely classical atomic model that solves molecular structures exactly and also identifies dark matter as hydrinos - hydrogen atoms with the electron in a lower orbit than ground state. Mills predicts an oscillating unive…
Re: Ask HN: Is it black holes all the way up?
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
The simulation theory is not very satisfying. It might answer some of the questions we have but leaves a much bigger one: who/what/how made this simulation?
I agree - and why? My fun answer for this one is that there is a future civilization facing collapse / extinction / "great filter" and they're (humans or AI) running infinite life simulations to try to determine what actions will give them the greatest probability of escape / survival. We're living in one of those simulated worlds. But that's very human / AI centric, and doesn't answer any of the same questions highe…
Krang inputs 'teletubbies having tea with elon musk in the style of milo manara' and somewhere on deviantart someone makes it and the universe has a reason to be kept going.
Re: Ask HN: Is it black holes all the way up?
#38I tend to think we are a hologram generated from the surface of a black hole, and yes, probably black holes all the way "up".
Of course, it still leaves the question of the first black hole, and why anything at all instead of just nothing.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you for your feedback! I'll definitely check these out. The whole "simulation theory" thing seems to be a fun idea. Are we living in a petri dish experiment aimed at finding an optimal outcome? An experiment where life situations are generated many times with slight variants to examine all possible outcomes in "universe" life simulations? The jump from matter / elements to RNA also doesn't make sense to me - so…
The simulation theory is not very satisfying. It might answer some of the questions we have but leaves a much bigger one: who/what/how made this simulation?
Re: Ask HN: Is it black holes all the way up?
#40It's turtles all the way down.