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Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by hansjan »

base698 wrote: post #19
robertlagrant wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> since with the recent release of ChatGPT now gives the excuse for managers to be inclined to hire less engineers and programmers as the cheap money has essentially evaporated I don't understand the relevance of ChatGPT to this.

I assume because I've seen ChatGPT successfully: - write a Gitlab ci job that tests python code and outputs a junit test report. - can you add code coverage? - write a sql table that has users, age, and a biography - write python that parses the above output from the table - now use a lexer and parser - create a unit test to verify it's correct. - write a perl one liner that parses a list of users and phone numbers I…

Have you tried doing this yourself? On Twitter etc. you see some really cool cherry-picked examples that are quite easy to break when replicating them yourself.

It is often confidently incorrect. Which is easy to spot if you know the subject matter, but nearly impossible if you are not familiar with the subject.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by matwood »

Layoffs make news, but if you look at the numbers they are relatively small compared to all the hiring the last few years. We have gone from the best time ever in history to be in IT, to a great time to be in IT. There are a lot of jobs if you step outside big tech (and targeted jobs in big tech with certain skills).

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by bigDinosaur »

UncleMeat wrote: post #24
base698 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume because I've seen ChatGPT successfully: - write a Gitlab ci job that tests python code and outputs a junit test report. - can you add code coverage? - write a sql table that has users, age, and a biography - write python that parses the above output from the table - now use a lexer and parser - create a unit test to verify it's correct. - write a perl one liner that parses a list of users and phone numbers I…

Okay. If there is somebody out there where the hardest part of their job is those tasks then that's not good for them.

There are a lot of people for whom those kinds of tasks are the most difficult programming tasks they'll be doing (more or less) per feature. It's just their job will often involve a lot more than just that (and if it doesn't, goodbye job...)

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

#34

Post by comice »

sneak wrote: post #28
throw_aws_inter wrote: post #16

I interviewed for 1.5 months (!!!) for AWS for a senior position, went through all the stages through the end. Then silence. I kept emailing the recruiters responsible for my interview, I kept getting out-of-office replies. Then I contacted some higher ups I found, told me they assigned my interview to other recruiters. No replies from them though. I have emailed them a bunch of times including the higher up. Then th…

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human beings can often find situations like job interviews stressful. OP is probably a human.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by UncleMeat »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #33
UncleMeat wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay. If there is somebody out there where the hardest part of their job is those tasks then that's not good for them.

There are a lot of people for whom those kinds of tasks are the most difficult programming tasks they'll be doing (more or less) per feature. It's just their job will often involve a lot more than just that (and if it doesn't, goodbye job...)

Right. I don't understand the concern even for people working on small crud apps using widely used frameworks and little specialized business domain modeling. The act of writing code isn't the hard bit.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by tfsh »

Wasn't laid off (end of contract) but spent ~3 months looking and interviewing for jobs.

Applied to about 30 positions, heard back from 3 and received 1 offer for Google. Didn't exactly give me confidence about the future when I may be looking for another job...

YOE: 3

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by paulcole »

hansjan wrote: post #31
base698 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume because I've seen ChatGPT successfully: - write a Gitlab ci job that tests python code and outputs a junit test report. - can you add code coverage? - write a sql table that has users, age, and a biography - write python that parses the above output from the table - now use a lexer and parser - create a unit test to verify it's correct. - write a perl one liner that parses a list of users and phone numbers I…

Have you tried doing this yourself? On Twitter etc. you see some really cool cherry-picked examples that are quite easy to break when replicating them yourself. It is often confidently incorrect. Which is easy to spot if you know the subject matter, but nearly impossible if you are not familiar with the subject.

> It is often confidently incorrect.

My god, it truly can replace computer programmers.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by clnq »

gorbachev wrote: post #22
rvz wrote: post #9

One may suggest to 'learn to code', but it is not enough this time. Perhaps now one may say, it is time to 'learn to adapt', since with the recent release of ChatGPT now gives the excuse for managers to be more motivated to hire less engineers and programmers as the cheap money has essentially evaporated. So this time it is indeed different and I would expect less engineers to be hired and more programming jobs to be…

ChatGPT is not going to eat all the jobs. Can we stop this nonsense, please?

If anything, we'll need more engineers to help GPT-3.5/ChatGPT eat most receptionist, customer support, and similar customer-facing entry level jobs. That itself could become a very healthy and large industry.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by Jenk »

adamcharnock wrote: post #15
a-bit-of-code wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For that kind of seniority/experience, what fraction of companies asked LeetCodey stuff? Was it easy or medium/hard problems? How much time did you have to spend preparing/practicing?

Not the OP, but with similar experience levels and I’ve never done a LeetCode interview, and even regular interviews are pretty light. I mostly contract though, and they generally offer me full time after a little while if I want it.

Also not OP, and also similar experience. Most of my interviews are an hour or two of conversation, sometimes with a "I've been told I have to ask.. " techy question but never involves any actual code/whiteboard. Several times the interviewer has said something to the effect of "I won't insult you by asking you to do a tech test, it's clear to me that you understand the work" or similar. One occassion (some years ago now) I've replied to a request to complete a tech test with a "Would you rather look at my open source code/contributions?" which they did and I didn't need to perform the test.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by meibo »

nathias wrote: post #29
throw_aws_inter wrote: post #16

I interviewed for 1.5 months (!!!) for AWS for a senior position, went through all the stages through the end. Then silence. I kept emailing the recruiters responsible for my interview, I kept getting out-of-office replies. Then I contacted some higher ups I found, told me they assigned my interview to other recruiters. No replies from them though. I have emailed them a bunch of times including the higher up. Then th…

ghosting is pretty standard in my experience, 1-2 months of interviewing and testing then nothing is pretty standard in the industry

I went through four interviews with (insert popular encrypted messaging solution) a while ago and got a verbal offer, then proceeded to be ghosted entirely, no more replies, from multiple people. Still don't know what happened.

How is this acceptable? So much wasted time, and not just for me. I basically interviewed the entire team I was supposed to be working with.

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