Yeah no ~$66k/yr is just taking-advantage money, your "quiet when being paid enough" beeper should be going off so loudly right now the people in the buildings next door are wondering if there's a fire drill or not lol. That being said, if you want to retain the stability of your current environment, one way to mitigate the precedent/reputation hit of going "hi, pay me more plz" might be to shift the responsibility o…
They are not paid $66k. They are paid £60k which depending where they live in the UK is an average software engineer salary. It’s low for finance in London but unsurprising for an industrial company in the north. You can’t extrapolate the US market to the rest of the world.
You can look for a new job, but be aware that: - there's a recession going on - many companies stopped hiring, they're demanding more productivity from their existing employees, and are laying off people - there is a deluge of experienced, highly skilled people looking for jobs right now (all the people that fell victim to 10% layoffs) - inflation is high, people are asking for higher salaries - many companies can't…
> - there is a deluge of experienced, highly skilled people looking for jobs right now (all the people that fell victim to 10% layoffs)
How do you know this. I still see lots of recruiters pestering me for a 'casual call'.
£60k is low for 15 years of experience £60k is the lower end of senior outside of London. It's not surprising at all. £60k in a company that's making more than £1m per employee though, that's definitely "Fuck this" territory.
Are salaries in the UK really that low? I live in the EU, my salary is similar to the OP and I just started working as a developer _this year_, with 5 years of a fairly unrelated career prior to that.
Salaries between countries are hard to compare. You have to take into account that he and his kids have access to the NHS for exemple.
I’m a manager at a consulting company in France. My total comp is a bit shy of €70k which looks ridiculous next to an American but you have to factor in that I have a full medical coverage, access to free education for my family, unemployment insurance and retirement benefits plus a wide array of perks on top of that.
You can look for a new job, but be aware that: - there's a recession going on - many companies stopped hiring, they're demanding more productivity from their existing employees, and are laying off people - there is a deluge of experienced, highly skilled people looking for jobs right now (all the people that fell victim to 10% layoffs) - inflation is high, people are asking for higher salaries - many companies can't…
> there's a recession going on
Unemployment is historically low accros Europe and the USA. You don’t have to keep listing to big tech companies which had brain dead hiring policies for the past three years and are now scrambling to protect the value of their shares.
The employment market is doing fine right now for most of us. Most companies certainly didn’t stop hiring. Most are actually short handed.
You can look for a new job, but be aware that: - there's a recession going on - many companies stopped hiring, they're demanding more productivity from their existing employees, and are laying off people - there is a deluge of experienced, highly skilled people looking for jobs right now (all the people that fell victim to 10% layoffs) - inflation is high, people are asking for higher salaries - many companies can't…
> - there is a deluge of experienced, highly skilled people looking for jobs right now (all the people that fell victim to 10% layoffs) How do you know this. I still see lots of recruiters pestering me for a 'casual call'.
Me too, if anything the past 2 months has been busier than the 6 months before.
I think it is a soft recession, and employers aren't looking to cut employees, they are looking to replace them with more cost effective employees.
Are salaries in the UK really that low? I live in the EU, my salary is similar to the OP and I just started working as a developer _this year_, with 5 years of a fairly unrelated career prior to that.
Salaries between countries are hard to compare. You have to take into account that he and his kids have access to the NHS for exemple. I’m a manager at a consulting company in France. My total comp is a bit shy of €70k which looks ridiculous next to an American but you have to factor in that I have a full medical coverage, access to free education for my family, unemployment insurance and retirement benefits plus a w…
FWIW, typical US professional job, and especially Software Engineering jobs, also include the perks you listed. The “free education” doesn’t include higher educations, but all the other benefits you listed do very much exist and are commonplace in US. We might compare levels of coverage, and i would be interested to do that just out of my curiosity, but, overall, professional Americans mostly enjoy very similar welfare benefits as Europeans, while making more money, especially if you consider taxes (taxation is much more progressive in US than in Europe, and the wealthy bear the most weight of taxation, unlike in Europe, where it is middle class that pays most taxes).
Yeah no ~$66k/yr is just taking-advantage money, your "quiet when being paid enough" beeper should be going off so loudly right now the people in the buildings next door are wondering if there's a fire drill or not lol. That being said, if you want to retain the stability of your current environment, one way to mitigate the precedent/reputation hit of going "hi, pay me more plz" might be to shift the responsibility o…
They are not paid $66k. They are paid £60k which depending where they live in the UK is an average software engineer salary. It’s low for finance in London but unsurprising for an industrial company in the north. You can’t extrapolate the US market to the rest of the world.
It still seems low for that amount of experience. In a non-finance company in London, someone good with 15 years experience should be on >= 100k. I know people with less experience working at such a company making 140k; my impression is that this is on the high side for that context, but it definitely exists.
Maybe it's less outside the south-east. But OP works remote, so why not work remotely for a company that pays decent money? I know a guy who lives in some godforsaken fishing village in Scotland and has a remote London job.
Salaries between countries are hard to compare. You have to take into account that he and his kids have access to the NHS for exemple. I’m a manager at a consulting company in France. My total comp is a bit shy of €70k which looks ridiculous next to an American but you have to factor in that I have a full medical coverage, access to free education for my family, unemployment insurance and retirement benefits plus a w…
FWIW, typical US professional job, and especially Software Engineering jobs, also include the perks you listed. The “free education” doesn’t include higher educations, but all the other benefits you listed do very much exist and are commonplace in US. We might compare levels of coverage, and i would be interested to do that just out of my curiosity, but, overall, professional Americans mostly enjoy very similar welfa…
> overall, professional Americans mostly enjoy very similar welfare benefits as Europeans
From having experience with both, that’s simply untrue.
First, education here is free - technically university is a couple euros if you are rich enough but free-adjacent - at all level. Medical coverage is not tied to your job and covers everything properly including chronic disease, heavy procedure and potential long-term inability to work. Unemployment last two years and fully covers your salary for the first six months.
You will win a lot more in the US if you work in IT because the salaries are incredibly high in the US but for anything else I would stay in Europe. Well, I would even stay in Europe for IT personally because I hate the US culture but that’s another story.