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Re: Ask HN: When will big tech be taken down a notch?

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All of those allow local storage. They in fact assume it. > A language for the markup of hypertext documents (no, HTML doesn't do that) What is missing? Specially when accounting for anchor links being able to target protocols other than HTTPs. > A strategy for recording an annotative trail Could you go into descriptive detail of what you actually mean here?

If I have a document, you can't annotate it without embedding new code in the document... you can't add a layer of markup on top of, and separate from, it. The decision to embed markup in documents was horrible in its effects. It gives copyright holders extortive power over criticism, for example. You have to copy a document to mark it up, which didn't need to be the case. As for annotative trail... imagine being abl…

Sorry but the first part you wrote doesn't make much sense. To the best of my understanding, you're just saying that you want diffs to be stored instead of a full copy of a document?

If the whole point is to skirt around broken legislation/executive power not enforcing fair use as it should you've already lost on the fact alone that courts can interpret your layering as infringement; courts around the world have previously rule linking to be infringement as-is. But if you believe that'll actually solve things you could easily build an extension that layers HTML patches on top of another base HTML via XPath "coordinates". Of course I'm sure you've realized that if your base HTML is hosted by a hostile entity, good luck keeping it up to date with their modifications, and that's not limited to HTML as it would be a an issue regardless of whatever system you come up with and expect "the bad guys" to adopt. You either have copies, which means hosting copyrighted material, or you have references, which can go out of date.

> HTML links are blind, unidirectional, fragile, and can't go to an arbitrary position in a document.

Blind/unidirectional is fixed at the client level (e.g. the back button, history, you could do something like what this extension did if you want trees: https://www.ghacks.net/2009/08/09/display-firefox-browsing-h...). It doesn't make the slightest bit of technical sense to track backlinks on every hosted document because the incentives don't align and you'd be wasting a whole lot of space. You could have a separate service store this in a graph much like a web crawler. Don't need to reinvent HTML for that.

Fragile, you fix with copies. You can't force people to host an immutable record forever and yes this is abusable by copyright trolls, again, can't fix the law with tech.

As for linking to an arbitrary direction, you can href to a an ID and that's good enough a lot of the time. If you want any more than that you don't have to re-invent HTML: you just have to extend it with support for XPath targets. And that's something you can easily do with a browser extension all while keeping it fully backwards compatible with the web.

Re: Ask HN: When will big tech be taken down a notch?

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It’s already happened to Facebook. Zuckerberg would love to trade his company for TikTok and their version of the ‘metaverse’ is cruelly mocked in all corners. Amazon is slipping. In the last two years they quit delivering Prime packages in two days in much of the US. Most other retailers have sped up their deliveries in this time frame. Customers are starting to notice. Everything AMZN has pioneered is now widesprea…

> the ‘metaverse’ is cruelly mocked in all corners The Metaverse thing is just a passion project. It's what you invent when the initial vision of your main gig (Facebook) starts going down the doldrums. Facebook is basically in maintenance mode now.

It's worse than that. They changed the name of the company to "Meta" because they want you to forget about Facebook.

Re: Ask HN: When will big tech be taken down a notch?

#33

It’s already happened to Facebook. Zuckerberg would love to trade his company for TikTok and their version of the ‘metaverse’ is cruelly mocked in all corners. Amazon is slipping. In the last two years they quit delivering Prime packages in two days in much of the US. Most other retailers have sped up their deliveries in this time frame. Customers are starting to notice. Everything AMZN has pioneered is now widesprea…

Amazon is not slipping, they are by far the largest online delivery service and marketplace. Not to mention ever growing brand names and overall dominance. Azure has always been a peer. Edit: Not sure why I'm getting downvoted, I wish Amazon would break apart, but that's far from the case.

Amazon is big but it is not the best.

Their momentum is going to work against them in the long term. Somebody who is in the Prime habit is going to order 20 items from Amazon waiting 4-7 days each time.

Someday they're going to buy something from another retailer like Adorama or Best Buy or Target or Walmart and get it the next day and say... Wow!

Amazon has the considerable advantage of having a larger catalog but who knows what fragment of the catalog is a scam.

Re: Ask HN: When will big tech be taken down a notch?

#34

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I named both Tor and I2P. As for your web-of-trust thing, what's missing from a VPN solution?

Full anonymity from everyone along the way. I got nothing to hide yet I dislike the idea of my traffic being analyzed. VPN is just from point A (me) to point B (VPN node) to point C (actual destination). A lot of ISPs recognize and profile VPN traffic, even if they can't decipher it. So hardly an actual improvement. Tor + torrent + deliberate traffic pattern/origin obfuscation is likely where it's at but as I said, n…

If you want full anonymity performance be damned you can run your VPN over Tor. But I gotta ask, what is the problem with your ISP recognizing that you're using a VPN? Everyone is using VPNs nowadays.

If your concern is that they'd know who you are connecting to, you can use another VPN you trust more than your ISP as a middle-man.

If you trust no-one but your friend, I'd recommend running your own fiber to your friend's house, but people could just see where it leads to, so what you're looking after that is to invent quantum-entangled network cards and pick up your Turing award and possibly Nobel on your way out. If that seems out of reach, I can't see how to solve this with technology.

Re: Ask HN: When will big tech be taken down a notch?

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon is not slipping, they are by far the largest online delivery service and marketplace. Not to mention ever growing brand names and overall dominance. Azure has always been a peer. Edit: Not sure why I'm getting downvoted, I wish Amazon would break apart, but that's far from the case.

Amazon is big but it is not the best. Their momentum is going to work against them in the long term. Somebody who is in the Prime habit is going to order 20 items from Amazon waiting 4-7 days each time. Someday they're going to buy something from another retailer like Adorama or Best Buy or Target or Walmart and get it the next day and say... Wow! Amazon has the considerable advantage of having a larger catalog but w…

It's not about being the best, prime performance, or the minority of people doing the homework to notice they're ripped off. There's no retailer who isn't failing to give you the best price. A lot of shoppers don't even use prime, as long as they get that free delivery, they'll wait a few days. The majority of people are buying from them as they grow into a larger internet monopoly. They've been invested in online delivery for a long time, so strongly that even Walmart can't compete.

Out of all the retailers you listed, Walmart is the only close competitor in terms of delivery, Best Buy still has tech, but not much outside.

Re: Ask HN: When will big tech be taken down a notch?

#36

It’s already happened to Facebook. Zuckerberg would love to trade his company for TikTok and their version of the ‘metaverse’ is cruelly mocked in all corners. Amazon is slipping. In the last two years they quit delivering Prime packages in two days in much of the US. Most other retailers have sped up their deliveries in this time frame. Customers are starting to notice. Everything AMZN has pioneered is now widesprea…

Just a reminder to anyone reading - don't trust anyones predictions about economy without seeing their current stock/option positions. If someone is so sure that the company is going to fail, it would be a no brainer for them to short the stock or buy put options.

Re: Ask HN: When will big tech be taken down a notch?

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I have a document, you can't annotate it without embedding new code in the document... you can't add a layer of markup on top of, and separate from, it. The decision to embed markup in documents was horrible in its effects. It gives copyright holders extortive power over criticism, for example. You have to copy a document to mark it up, which didn't need to be the case. As for annotative trail... imagine being abl…

Sorry but the first part you wrote doesn't make much sense. To the best of my understanding, you're just saying that you want diffs to be stored instead of a full copy of a document? If the whole point is to skirt around broken legislation/executive power not enforcing fair use as it should you've already lost on the fact alone that courts can interpret your layering as infringement; courts around the world have prev…

It's not even the tech. The idea is fundamentally untenable.

I imagine the GP desiring something conceptually similar to a transparent plastic sheet where you can put over the original document and annotate it. But the plastic sheet annotation is meaningless unless the original document is freely available.

It's similar to any other kind of criticism. This comment is meaningless without reference to the context in the discussion thread.

> can't fix the law with tech.

I totally agree. The only reason why people might think the idea of "markup on top of, but separate from" copyrighted content is remotely possible is because the law allows fair use to some extent. Otherwise any annotation or criticism would be technically considered a derivative work. I'm often amazed how programmers and tech people in general, supposedly the type of people who would dive deep into pedantic details, so often assume their understanding of the law and the legal system is correct without even so much as a simple "hello world" unit test...

Re: Ask HN: When will big tech be taken down a notch?

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It never/always will.

The acronyms are ever changing when you expand the scope to other industries and historical time periods. Big 5 Hollywood Studios of the 40’s, Robber Barons, Rockefellers, Telecoms of the 90’s are just a few that come to my mind without reaching for sources. But you could probably look back further at Rothschilds and the trade companies responsible for colonization and slave trade even. Anywhere, where disembodied capital seeks to maximize profits.

We’ve been here already, and we will again. Not much more than 15 years ago all of the companies in the GAMA acronym were companies we were mostly rooting for. Now they’re the “big ones.”

I don’t think there will ever be a single threshold moment to witness. Some of them will fade in or out, others will abruptly merge or splinter. They’re really just temporary holographic systems of meanings. The people, the talent, the product and capital move around dynamically.

Re: Ask HN: When will big tech be taken down a notch?

#39

It’s already happened to Facebook. Zuckerberg would love to trade his company for TikTok and their version of the ‘metaverse’ is cruelly mocked in all corners. Amazon is slipping. In the last two years they quit delivering Prime packages in two days in much of the US. Most other retailers have sped up their deliveries in this time frame. Customers are starting to notice. Everything AMZN has pioneered is now widesprea…

Just a reminder to anyone reading - don't trust anyones predictions about economy without seeing their current stock/option positions. If someone is so sure that the company is going to fail, it would be a no brainer for them to short the stock or buy put options.

> If someone is so sure that the company is going to fail, it would be a no brainer for them to short the stock or buy put options.

They still have to be confident it will do so within a relatively narrow time frame in which the options premium or short interest makes it worthwhile. (I knew housing sales were going to slow down and bought put options against Whirlpool at 200... but I was off by a few months and still lost.)

Re: Ask HN: When will big tech be taken down a notch?

#40

I would say not likely. As industries mature, incumbents acquire enough of an advantage that they don't get outcompeted, you just want until the market for their product disappears. It's like asking if Coca-Cola, Nabisco, or Unilever are going to get "taken down a notch". No, not really. Also "take down a notch" is some pretty judgmental phrasing, as if it implies they're bigger than they deserve to be, as if they're…

> It's like asking if Coca-Cola, Nabisco, or Unilever are going to get "taken down a notch". No, not really.

Coca-cola, and some of Unilever products (like Kraft cheese or Heinz ketchup) don't look great in some markets where health is a major selling point of food products and a lot of smaller competitors are coming up.

IMHO they are past their peak but, of course, they will survive for a long time.

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