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Re: Ask HN: Why don't we have 3 day weekends yet?

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I work 70 hours a week. Surely you wouldn’t outlaw my ethic? And if a run a company, surely I could require my employees to work 5 days, 40 hours? The solution is to let business owners switch to 4 day weeks and then let the free market sort it out.

I prefer working all the time. It is way more fun to build stuff, especially if that's your own company.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we have 3 day weekends yet?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The free market would grind every last human into powder if it could. Labor regulations exist because you can’t trust humans to be various degrees of moral, decent, and empathetic. If labor regulations ratchet the work week down, you’d be free to offer 32 hour work weeks to employees, and pay them for overtime beyond that. Productivity has exploded over the last four decades (across various economies, developed and d…

Humans are free to enter contracts of their own choosing, not forced by arbitrary government regulations. As many other commenters here have pointed out, negotiating oneself to a 4 day workweek (or other offers) is possible. I for one, choose to not take the 20% pay cut and will happily work a 40 hour work week. That's my choice.

In theory maybe. I bet most people don't have the luxury to chose a 80% job that still lets them pay their bills. Probably has to do with wages not tracking inflation which was caused by the same free market principles.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we have 3 day weekends yet?

#33
Because society has decided it does not want to.

I mean... If you increase work productivity there's basically two things you can do: Increase free time or increase consumption. Increasing free time is not a popular position. It is widely seen as a given that "increasing consumption" and "economic growth" are good things by itself that don't need any further justification (while of course society could strive for "free time growth" instead). Switzerland had a referendum on reducing work time not so long ago. It failed.

I say this noting that I disagree with the popular position here, but I can't avoid seeing that this is what most people seem to want.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we have 3 day weekends yet?

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post #4

I work 70 hours a week. Surely you wouldn’t outlaw my ethic? And if a run a company, surely I could require my employees to work 5 days, 40 hours? The solution is to let business owners switch to 4 day weeks and then let the free market sort it out.

The free market would grind every last human into powder if it could. Labor regulations exist because you can’t trust humans to be various degrees of moral, decent, and empathetic. If labor regulations ratchet the work week down, you’d be free to offer 32 hour work weeks to employees, and pay them for overtime beyond that. Productivity has exploded over the last four decades (across various economies, developed and d…

Easy to game - declare lower lower base rate for 32 hours that will get to the same number with overtime surcharge?

Different people have different relations to work in different stages of life. E.g. it makes sense to work your ass off while saving for downpayment for a home. Or saving for XYZ. Same people may scale down when kids come up.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we have 3 day weekends yet?

#37
Why not a one day weekend? How is three days any less absurd and arbitrary than two?

Frankly, given where we are at as a society in terms of labor and productivity relative to demand, it seems like now isn’t the time to be pumping the brakes. The basis of fully automated luxury communism has not yet been delivered and won’t be for a while; Europeans will likely freeze this winter and even in the US, if I call 911 I’m lucky if the wait time is less than 10 minutes. We still need humans working, as much as it pains me to say it.

Maybe a better approach than specifying an arbitrary number would be to have full flexibility.

Example: I work hourly at a software company. Some days I work 12 hours. Some days I work 3.5. If I’m not going to be productive that day, I just don’t work (this is to my employer’s benefit, because I’m paid by the hour). If I’m on a roll, I keep on rolling. Some days I plan for 9 hours then leave at 6 because my focus is shot. Others I think it will be 5, then leave after 10.

I get to use my time as I see fit, the employer doesn’t deal with me wasting time in the office unproductively, and on net I think I’m as productive if not more than my coworkers.

In jobs where you need time-based coverage, an Lyft-like bidding system to get a wage premium would probably make sense and let people self-sort based on desire to work and schedule preferences.

Why replace one arbitrary system with another?

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we have 3 day weekends yet?

#38
They aren’t just going to give you a free day off. There would be a commensurate decrease in your pay. I don’t find the 5 days/week to be “irrational”, “irrational” to whom? It’s completely rational from an employers perspective that they have a job to fulfill and it requires employees to complete the job. If they have people working 4 days /week, they need coverage for the other days. It’s not rational for the customers either, who want everything now. I think you need to get out of the Silicon Valley bubble and see what most people do for work. Insurance claims and other service type things don’t just happen 4 days/week, meaning they would have to hire more workers to accommodate. What will end up happening, is they will just make everyone part time. Be careful what you wish for.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we have 3 day weekends yet?

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans are free to enter contracts of their own choosing, not forced by arbitrary government regulations. As many other commenters here have pointed out, negotiating oneself to a 4 day workweek (or other offers) is possible. I for one, choose to not take the 20% pay cut and will happily work a 40 hour work week. That's my choice.

In theory maybe. I bet most people don't have the luxury to chose a 80% job that still lets them pay their bills. Probably has to do with wages not tracking inflation which was caused by the same free market principles.

... and then we get to core issue. Some people don't want 80% worktime for 80% pay, but 80% worktime for 100% pay :) What if many people will keep working 100% time but now get 125% pay? Inflation happens and we're back at square 1.
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