But I suspect this has a lot more to do with proving that you are explicitly representing yourself to them as a member of the organization; not proving that you actually are part of the organization.
Ask HN: Why is company letterhead a valid form of auth in 2022?
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#32A better question might be why is a company considered a legal entity or even a technical entity? It has been said that they shouldn't be and that legality should rest with the individual companies' owner. This of course would end corporations and much of the crap they produce and force owners to be accountable to their word. Yes, a novel concept. But don't take my word for it. Read what Adam Smith had to say about i…
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#33That seems more secure than physical signatures and letter heads, that can presumably be easily forged.
But Keybase seems not developed anymore. Does anyone know what’s the situation?
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Can you share what a forward thinking European company would do, since Europe is so futuristic, and provide a specific example of a futuristic European social media tech company implementing this futuristic policy?
Huh? What "futuristic policy" -- the "futuristic policy" of not accepting something as moronically easily-fakeable as "company letterhead" for ID? That's not a "policy", it's just common sense. You should try that over on the other side of the Atlantic some time.
And it has nothing to do with "social media tech company"; I've never heard of any European company accepting something as moronically easily-fakeable as "company letterhead" for ID. Which is why I wrote "is an American company", not "is an American social media tech company".
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#35I have as well. Even a really long time ago, so it sounds like a long lasting habit. It reminds me of how lawyers are happy to accept signatures by fax. You could be a rather lousy forger, yet because of the huge and extremely black pixels, still make a passable forged signature over fax. You can even tape a real signature on the page, or make numerous corrections, because the resolution simply cannot show any of tho…
> It reminds me of how lawyers are happy to accept signatures by fax The purpose of a lot of these sorts of requirements is not authentication. It's ensuring that if you do do it, you trigger the statutory requirement for some particular criminal offense. For example, a jurisdiction might have a crime of forgery which is substantially easier to prosecute than fraud (perhaps fraud would need the prosecution to prove i…
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The shot across the bow at the US is kind of old and tired at this point. I'm pretty sure Europeans still use corporate letterhead as a type of legal guarantee. It would be pretty cool if you could make your point without blaming an entire country for being luddites though. There's plenty of "cutting edge" "future thinking" companies in the US. Sometimes, old tech is the best tech especially when paper tends to last…
Sure. But guess why it's so "tired"? Because you get ao much of it. And why, do you think, do you get so much of it? Because it's true.
> I'm pretty sure Europeans still use corporate letterhead as a type of legal guarantee.
And I'm pretty sure they don't.
> It would be pretty cool if you could make your point without blaming an entire country for being luddites though.
Of course I could, for most points, but not when precisely that is my point. Well, not luddites, exactly, because they were anti-technology. My point is more just... Backwards. Anti-common sense.
> There's plenty of "cutting edge" "future thinking" companies in the US.
Sure. Which makes it so much weirder that the population, on the whole, conducts so much of their lives in such ludicrously outdated and non-sensical ways: Getting paid, or paying stuff, by sending paper cheques -- OK, checks -- hither and yon. Using what should be just a unique identifier -- your social security number -- as the authentication ("password") of that id more often than not. Using weird 18th-century units of measurement...
> Sometimes, old tech is the best tech especially when paper tends to last a lot longer than even governments.
Exactly. But not paper checks, ferfuxxake...
And hey, sometimes you do stuff that doesn't really make sense, precisely not to be "luddites". One example that comes readily to mind (because I've wondered over it for a long time -- at least 22 years) is: What other reason could you possibly have to run your elections the weird way you do, than to get to feel "We're the most advanced in the world, because We Vote With Machines"? Yeah, you do... And then you get ambiguous forms, Looney-tunes theories about the Machines being hacked via Italian spy satellites, and of course the infamous Hanging Chads. Gaah!
Yet another weirdity that you, AFAIK, are the only country in the world to do. Just go back to scraps of paper, envelopes to put them in, and plywood boxes to put the envelopes in. And then, since you have people from both parties at all election venues keeping an eye on things anyway (it's the law, isn't it?), just have those people empty the boxes, open the envelopes, and count the scraps of paper -- just like us luddites in the rest of the world.
See? I'm not at all saying that you're necessarily weird because you're behind on tech; just that you're weird in general, sometimes by leaning too much into tech.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm in the UK. If you give me a passport as ID I have no way of knowing if it is genuine. If you present a company letterhead I can, at least, check the company exists, verify your name is the same as a registered director and also see some basic financial history.
You can do all of that by just being told the company name, address etc. Why does it have to come in the form of stationery?