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Re: Ask HN: How are you hosting email for your startup employees?

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Post by lultimouomo »

CharlesW wrote: post #21
solardev wrote: post #2

Definitely don't do this yourself if you're not familiar with how it works. If you don't set up all the SPF, DMARC, DKIM etc. perfectly, you're going to get terrible deliverability (your outgoing emails will get auto marked as spam). Just pay Google or Microsoft or Yahoo or whoever to do it for you. Reliable email is not something to skimp on. Edit: Also, IMHO: gsuite (or whatever they renamed it to) is a huge produc…

> It's also much more usable cross platforms than the nightmare that is MS Office. Outlook is terrrrrrrrible. In what way? I’ve used both Google Workspace and Office 365 during my career. I don’t dislike Google Workspace, but Office 365 is notably more mature, capable, and complete. (I mostly use Macs, but the web apps work the same on any browser/OS.)

Does this include Meet vs Teams? Because Teams is the absolute worst piece of technology I am forced to use regularly. And this includes WebEx!

Also, and I'll never get tired of saying it, if you have both a personal and a business-managed Microsoft account you better give up computers and be a hunter gatherer, it'll save you a world of pain.

Re: Ask HN: How are you hosting email for your startup employees?

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Post by tomjen3 »

fencepost wrote: post #6

If you're going to be partially or fully on the Microsoft ecosystem (Office most obviously, especially if you're going to be doing document exchange), just go ahead and get M365 Business Premium - along with Office it gets you Azure AD for signins, Onedrive for per user storage, SharePoint for shared storage, email, etc. Premium adds email encryption, plus Intune as a somewhat replacement for domain Group Policy, Win…

Microsoft offering is not available for Linux, so unless you are a Mac shop they will have to use the web interface which is slow, limited in features and very buggy.

Re: Ask HN: How are you hosting email for your startup employees?

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Post by tomjen3 »

CharlesW wrote: post #21
solardev wrote: post #2

Definitely don't do this yourself if you're not familiar with how it works. If you don't set up all the SPF, DMARC, DKIM etc. perfectly, you're going to get terrible deliverability (your outgoing emails will get auto marked as spam). Just pay Google or Microsoft or Yahoo or whoever to do it for you. Reliable email is not something to skimp on. Edit: Also, IMHO: gsuite (or whatever they renamed it to) is a huge produc…

> It's also much more usable cross platforms than the nightmare that is MS Office. Outlook is terrrrrrrrible. In what way? I’ve used both Google Workspace and Office 365 during my career. I don’t dislike Google Workspace, but Office 365 is notably more mature, capable, and complete. (I mostly use Macs, but the web apps work the same on any browser/OS.)

The webapps for MS works terrible on Linux and there isn't a native client (Word _native_ is pretty good for Mac).

Re: Ask HN: How are you hosting email for your startup employees?

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Post by chefkoch »

fencepost wrote: post #6

If you're going to be partially or fully on the Microsoft ecosystem (Office most obviously, especially if you're going to be doing document exchange), just go ahead and get M365 Business Premium - along with Office it gets you Azure AD for signins, Onedrive for per user storage, SharePoint for shared storage, email, etc. Premium adds email encryption, plus Intune as a somewhat replacement for domain Group Policy, Win…

https://startups.microsoft.com/

Re: Ask HN: How are you hosting email for your startup employees?

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Post by binbag »

It depends on the nature of your company, customers, and staff. We went with M365 because outlook is far and away the best and most professional email client, we need to be able to collaborate live on documents, teams allows built in presentation of slides without screen sharing, and our partners understand how to be invited into SharePoint repositories.

I know this is anathema to many people here. If you have a business made of 5 coders and your customers are other coders, you can do whatever you want.

Re: Ask HN: How are you hosting email for your startup employees?

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Post by simfree »

solardev wrote: post #29
mekster wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using services like Postmark, the concern becomes smaller. No one should send emails that should land in a human's inbox directly off a bare random IP. At least, by running your own email instance, it gives you the ability to easily debug what the problem is with direct logs.

I believe the OP is talking about emails for their employees, like personal inboxes. Postmark is more about transactional emails, no? And even that is offloading a lot of the deliverability concerns to a specialized vendor. > At least, by running your own email instance, it gives you the ability to easily debug what the problem is with direct logs. You really really should not need to be doing this yourself. I've had…

Microsoft has a hidden quarantine. Google has random delivery issues. Neither are truly set it and forget it, at some point your back asking why an email bounced back or disappeared into an undisclosed quarantine with no notification...
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