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Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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post #21

> Take-home technical assignment (~4h) or similar at candidate's choosing If I can get a similarly-paying job at a place that doesn't do this, I'll skip you. Many seniors ( actual seniors, not 3-years-of-experience seniors) have a network and can say "hey I'm looking" and instantly have multiple options that won't have them do more than talk to the team and manager for an hour or two. If that.

Not to mention that usually the required time for take-home assignment is 2-3x the advertised one.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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post #21

> Take-home technical assignment (~4h) or similar at candidate's choosing If I can get a similarly-paying job at a place that doesn't do this, I'll skip you. Many seniors ( actual seniors, not 3-years-of-experience seniors) have a network and can say "hey I'm looking" and instantly have multiple options that won't have them do more than talk to the team and manager for an hour or two. If that.

It looks like the take-home replaces a full day of 1-1 interviews. That does seem reasonable (though I personally think it's the wrong trade, and the 1-1 interviews are more informative).

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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I've noticed an increasing reticence from senior programmers I know to have anything to do with DevOps. They see it as an aggravation they don't want in their lives. Somebody posted a little while back about it being easy to find consulting work in DevOps with relatively little skill, especially AWS pricing, specifically because devs at companies aren't putting in the time to learn AWS properly.

Has anybody else noticed the same? Or am I way off base?

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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I'm someone who is likely your target candidate and I just went through the hiring process so here are my thoughts without seeing an example ad post (which you should link to):

- There are a ton of job openings right now in DevOps and similar roles. I spent about 2 days applying to as many as I could and that filled my entire next couple weeks with interviews/tasks. I went through interviews, received offers, and chose one all from those two days of applying, so unless a candidate sees your offer early in their search that could be a source of low application volume.

- Is the fact that it's a fully remote position prominent in your postings? I personally only applied for positions I could tell were fully remote at a glance.

- Put the salary range in the posting. I am way more likely to apply if I know ahead of time that it's going to be worth my time.

- Are you strict on coding languages? I am pretty flexible but still have my favorites. If you're C#, I'm out (no offense to those who like it, I started out my career in the .NET world and ended up feeling trapped there and I'm not going back).

- How quick are your turnarounds from application submission and interviews? Lots of companies are moving quickly to get people through the hiring process and if you're not then you'll be passed up for other companies.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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"Take-home technical assignment (~4h)"I've got 20 plus years of tech, I've been out of college since 1997 and you want to give a 4 hour homework assignment. If get you want to get a feel for someone's ability but this is more easily done by stating a problem during one of the interviews and asking the person "How would you approach this?" Listing for how they anticipate problems and tradeoffs.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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I've noticed an increasing reticence from senior programmers I know to have anything to do with DevOps. They see it as an aggravation they don't want in their lives. Somebody posted a little while back about it being easy to find consulting work in DevOps with relatively little skill, especially AWS pricing, specifically because devs at companies aren't putting in the time to learn AWS properly. Has anybody else noti…

Large swaths of the developer community have long seen commercial-platform-specific certifications as a bad path, and DevOps seems pretty heavy on that. Goes back at least to the days when people were picking up MCSE and Cisco certs and such and trying to base a career on them (sometimes successfully! But a stigma definitely developed around those certs, too)

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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post #26

Nobody can help unless you show us your actual ads, your company site etc. There could me a million little signals that are putting people off. You've also not said what your pipeline looks like - is there nobody coming in at the top? Or are the "great people" not as great as you think? Or the "really deep knowledge of the platform" is in fact less reasonable or badly paid than you think? If you're stuck, find a good…

This is a throwaway because I'm just an engineer on the team wondering if there's something obvious we're doing wrong, and I don't imagine this would be considered desirable attention by management.

Would posting a job ad on AskHN requesting feedback be acceptable? I ask because I'd have expected to see it a bunch if it were. @dang would be very appreciative of your word one way or another. Thanks mattbee.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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post #26

Nobody can help unless you show us your actual ads, your company site etc. There could me a million little signals that are putting people off. You've also not said what your pipeline looks like - is there nobody coming in at the top? Or are the "great people" not as great as you think? Or the "really deep knowledge of the platform" is in fact less reasonable or badly paid than you think? If you're stuck, find a good…

Yeah, the real answer is "something is less good than you are describing." Ask a senior engineer you've worked with in the past to take a look at your job posting and give you some honest feedback about what the problem is.

There are yellow flags in your post, but it's unclear whether they are problems without details. For example:

> the work requires a reasonably deep understanding of the underlying platforms which a lot of people seem to dislike.

Why?

> I'm wondering if the work being a higher percentage non-code is what's causing us trouble

Probably.

> Benefits and salary are good

Are you sure?

Plus, where are people dropping out of your pipeline? Is it early, suggesting that the job posting isn't great, or is it later, so part of the discussion process could be bad?

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