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Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

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Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#31
In my opinion, this never goes away and you can only learn coping strategies. I never had this issue with classwork though, but checking my email/dealing with DevOps problems/filing taxes.

For me, I can see when I'm getting into that cycle (e.g. haven't checked my email in a few days) and one way to break it is to use medication. I don't like benzos, but I'm sure they work. Instead, I take a full dose of Benadryl and that can sometimes help me get rid of the anxiety long enough to get through the initial part.

Drinking alcohol works too, but obviously only works when you're at home. Shouting or high intensity dancing to loud music can help.

Basically, just knock yourself out of it just enough to actually start doing the work. Once you start, you'll realize it wasn't so bad.

Just picture Michael Burry having to read this emails in The Big Short during the most stressful scenes.

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#32
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) to help address the underlying causes of anxiety. It is very similar to another suggestion in the thread about breaking the problem down in to small manageable steps, with a cognitive framework to

* be present, in the moment

* be mindful, of your anxiety, of your surroundings, of your self

* take action based on the above.

Maybe also take a ADHD diagnosis from somewhere like adhdonline.com. It takes an hour or so, longer if you're very introspective about the answers, and then you'll know if there are medical options to help you with this as well.

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#33
A lot of good advice here which you can try to implement, but at the the end of the day if this is affecting your day to day life then this is a mental health issue.

I would recommend therapy. They'll give you some similar advice as this thread, and also help you implement it, help keep you accountable, and help find if there's a further underlying cause.

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#34
The easiest advice i have for you is still very hard.

You must move beyond your shame and guilt that keeps you afraid and alone, and you must have a regular two-way relationship with a community of your peers and betters that you all use to help each other out of these sorts of blocking situations.

You may well fail if you try…alone. But where you’re weak, someone else is strong, and vice versa. Exploit this.

This is extremely hard to do; it’s the only thing that works.

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#35
For me the issue was external factors. Don't ignore your social and romantic needs, don't try to do more than it is required of you to impress. Don't define yourself purely through your academic abilities, as annoying as that might be.

Do the bare minimum, but do it, and do it now. Try to collaborate with others, it will help you understand you are on the same level as them and you don't need to turn every lab report to a thesis-like endeavor.

Therapists can be hit or miss, but I think it might help you to talk to someone if that's a possibility. Some times in life you don't have level-headed impartial friends to give you good advice, and imo a good therapist would do just that. Help you see more clearly from a different perspective.

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#36
There are many self help books about procrastination, its quite a well researched topic with some pretty good insight. It's not gonna be a silver bullet though, it takes hard work and changing habits.

One really really good tip I read in one of those books is that the first hour of the day is critical for the rest of the day. This is so true in my experience. So tomorrow morning when you sit down to your tasks - do everything you can to really be at it during the first hour. Don't open social media or f** around. Experience shows if the first hour is good - usually the whole day becomes more productive. If the first hour is shit - usually you will be underperforming throughout the whole day.

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#37
post #30

You are not trying to avoid failure, you are giving yourself a cushion to avoid confronting the fact that you may not be as good as you think that you are. The cushion is that you didn't apply yourself to the maximum because you procrastinated and ergo it isn't you who failed, but a you who did not apply themselves. Why do we do it? Out of self preservation. Confronting the fact that the reality does not match our id…

> You are not trying to avoid failure, you are giving yourself a cushion to avoid confronting the fact that you may not be as good as you think that you are. ... >In reality, there is only one self, you that is choosing not to do what you have to because you are trying to protect a fragile ego. This is something that when I was growing up, we learned to deal with through sports. Sports teach kids to confront winning…

With the prevalence of player-vs-player (PvP) games with global leaderboards I'd argue that it could be the opposite, i.e. kids have a better grasp of where they stack on the larger scheme of things.

I too played sports competitively as a child and that eventually fueled interest in PvP games. It was about proving one's self.

In contrast, when one is limited to just academia/school, they have a poor understanding of where they stack up as they are essentially in a microcosm of reality. I take it that OP is in advanced studies and did well in their prior years. With high probability they did too well in school for their own good and didn't have to learn how to be consistent and do the work.

Again speaking from experience on the latter.

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#38
Did anyone else say drugs?

The only thing that’s ever worked for me is working on things I’m truly interested in, crushing anxiety due to a deadline coming up, and drugs.

Getting adult adhd diagnosis in my late 30s has been life changing.

Make sure your goals are your own and your tasks meet the goals.

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#40

The best solution to getting past the anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle is to take small, manageable actions while accepting the feelings that go along with those actions. Start with the smallest steps possible. Maybe that means opening the assignment and saving it to your computer. Then put it down and walk away. Come back in a little while and take another small step, such as reading over the assignment or making an out…

I wish someone had given me this pièce of advice early in life instead of finding that out at 25. I call it the foot-in-the-door method, it makes wonders.

By many measures, 25 is early in life. Congratulations: you did!
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