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Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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I almost never get spam outside of the spam folder. What I get instead is that half of the messages in the spam folder are not spam. This is actually even worse than just not having spam filtering. I still have to pick the spam out manually and ignore/delete it, but now I have to check two folders every day instead of one.

Which is some of the reason why I no longer use email much apart from Work settings.

Spam control isn't precisely an email problem, but a "system where arbitrary people not in my contact list can reach me" problem, same as telemarketers and SMS. Federated, open, lots of ways to describe it.

I agree that positively approving contacts is a great way to avoid the threat of spam, but that concept does have occasional downsides.

Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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I've had my gmail address for more than 15 years and the spam filter worked perfectly until the last couple of years when comically obvious spam messages started getting directly into the inbox. At first I thought that my email address got listed in some spammers' databases but it doesn't make any sense, since it has been up for so many years and the spam messages could be filtered with a really, _really_ simple spam filter algorithm.

Obviously something's going on with gmail and I am still not sure what is, but it's definitely not a bug (it has been like this for too long now) and the spammers definitely didn't get smarter (caricature like spam messages).

Does anyone know if Google has recently started offering some paid spam protection or something?

Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

#35

I've had my gmail address for more than 15 years and the spam filter worked perfectly until the last couple of years when comically obvious spam messages started getting directly into the inbox. At first I thought that my email address got listed in some spammers' databases but it doesn't make any sense, since it has been up for so many years and the spam messages could be filtered with a really, _really_ simple spam…

I am getting multiple spam mails per day now in my main gmail inbox. I think maybe google is offering paid access to companies who send marketing emails? I signed up for a certain kind of service, but didnt use it, and now get many emails per week from competing companies which are spam, but get through.

Re: Ask HN: Spammers got smarter or Gmail is no longer good?

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It seems categorically less effective now than before, but you don’t know what you don’t see.

Early on, a client of ours had a domain receiving literally hundreds of thousands to millions of spam a day. Commercial filters were ineffective, the domain was unusable for their common addresses, only thing that worked was /dev/null. On a hunch, we tried moving it to paid Google Apps for Your Domain, which proved staggeringly effective: 100% of spam were filtered, zero false positives.

One thing we learned: turns out Google does have human support engineers / SREs who really badly want to speak to you live if you’re generating meaningfully visible load w/o violating any terms of service. :-)

Today, on a diff @gmail.com account (in public records dating back to launch) that got no spam in the Inbox then despite hundreds in the spam folder a day, gets hundreds a day in the inbox today, same amount in the spam folder. No idea how many are filtered before even hitting spam folder though. Could be that hundreds in the inbox and thousands in the spam folder are just the long tail noise of billions filtered before delivery? Afraid to move it to find out!

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