Totally wrong. Many incompetent people are using it. And incompetent people is where the money to be made is.
Can't help but to agree. Azure, SalesForce, Oracle all scream incompetence and ... easy money, lots of it.
Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?
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Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?
#32Azure's main selling point is its integration with the rest of Microsoft's products. If you're a large non-tech company/enterprise with an IT department (all of them) that's locked into MS business/enterprise products (most of them), any sort of software development is gonna be on Azure. No other cloud can compete. I think Azure experts are already highly valuable, and will only become more valuable as more non-tech enterprises adopt some kind of internal software development team.
To the recruiter's second point: It sounds to me that, like most recruiters, they only interact with people inside the zoomer web dev bubble. Sure, MS and Azure aren't sexy, knowing them won't get you free drinks at Silicon Valley parties, but the software development world is much bigger than that.
Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?
#33This is the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. Recruiters are boneheads who would otherwise be selling used cars.
Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?
#34I can't speak for Azure specifically, but I've been hearing variations on this theme since at least 2001 or so, when VB diehards thought the switch to .NET was going to be a failure.
The OP is clearly hyperbole, there have been failures though. Imagine if you went all in on Silverlight or Windows Phone, haha.
Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?
#35I don't think Microsoft stack offers a path to like, a mid-six-figure job at a major Silicon Valley tech company. Nor will you me able to leverage much of the SV ecosystem if you're trying to do a startup. In that sense it could be seen as a career dead end. But there are plenty of solidly middle-class developer jobs in the IT departments of traditional companies, and a robust ecosystem of small consulting firms all…
It would more likely lead to a six figure job at an enterprise company or consultancy. MSFT "stack" is enormous.
I don’t know how many enterprises are paying their mainstream senior engineers $400k like a Facebook or an Uber or an Airbnb does.
Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?
#36Not true, however, I'd wager that the opportunities won't be trendy and hip. You are more likely to be working on some dashboard for a 70 year old corporation as opposed to building parts of the stack for the next new hotness.
> You are more likely to be working on some dashboard for a 70 year old corporation as opposed to building parts of the stack for the next new hotness.
Eh, both of those sound equally terrible.
Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?
#37Don't let conversations with recruiters about the state of the industry scare you. They are rarely loaded with insight, and usually have agendas that are not aligned with your own.
Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?
#38It depends on the industry and company/client size you want to work with. For better or worse, large institutional companies and slow-moving industries are still often on the 'Microsoft stack' top to bottom, from desktops to backend infrastructure. I work in healthcare, and this is especially true here.
These companies/industries have strongly entrenched attachment to the Microsoft world, its certifications, etc. Microsoft cultivates this, Amazon imitates this, others try to emulate this. Because $$$.
Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?
#39Azure has about 21% market share and revenue of around $15.1bn (sort of, MSFT bundle it with 'Intelligent Services' in their reporting). Someone must be using it. It clearly isn't dead. Secondly, some recruiters are liars who will tell you literally anything to try to get you to apply for jobs they're recruiting for. A recruiter saying MSFT stack is a dead-end just means they don't have many MSFT stack jobs on their…
And moreover that 21% is trending upwards according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/967365/worldwide-cloud-i...
Re: Ask HN: Are Microsoft development stack and Azure a dead-end career path?
#40Reminds me of a CS professor telling me that a COBOL programmer will never go hungry ... and it's still true :-) MS stack will be high quality and used by clients with $$$ for the rest of your career. With that said, any serious non-MS shop will be happy to have your experience and so switching up stacks shouldn't be a problem either if you find a good team. I would just apply broadly and go from there.
> MS stack will be high quality
As someone who has used the MS stack, I have yet to witness anything I would call high quality.