Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

news.ycombinator.com

31–40 of 284 posts

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#31
post #23
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is a lost cause by now. The only solution is a competitor. DDG is just as bad since they source results from google so that is not the solution.

DDG don't source any results from Google. They rely on Bing and increasingly their own bot.

> and increasingly their own bot

Except they so obviously don't. They lie through their teeth and their good at marketing, that's it. They've zero technical ability.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#32
Nah. Blocking isn’t the answer. What we need is a better search index.

I find it difficult to believe that relatively beginner NLP projects get posted here all the time, yet no one has adapted that stuff to create a new search index.

Personally I don’t know enough to really do this well, but I can tell just blocking sites from Google’s results isn’t the way.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#33
Sounds like we'd just need an HN uBlacklist subscription. Sourcing and validating submissions to the blacklist is the problematic bit. Perhaps use HN as an OAuth provider (not currently an available feature), use rules based on account age and karma for allowing or scoring submissions, voting system like HN ... sounds like something that might actually do better hosted on HN.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#34

That's an ambitious goal, I'm not sure to see how that would be maintainable on the long run. On a much smaller scale, if anyone is interested, I maintain a black list focused on those code snippet content farms that gets in the way when you're searching for some error message or particular function here https://github.com/jhchabran/code-search-blacklist .

It's worth a try! Also, thanks for maintaining those lists!

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a word for this tendency to say, "it's someone else's job" as a justification for doing nothing at all to help or improve one's own circumstances? I see more and more of it in the public discourse over the last years and it kind of bothers me. I see it a lot in conversations related to poverty or climate change, but it is as we see here by no means exclusive to those topics. To the original replyer: you coul…

> I worry that the number of domains pumping out crap might be far greater than we know, and that might hamper the effectiveness of this. I'm sure you're right about the number of spam domains, but Pareto suggests that blocking even a small percentage of them might provide a large gain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

Thanks, that's a good thing to remember. The other concern is installing ublocklist -- I'm scared to give more extensions access to google.com. I wonder if I could fork it and restrict its permissions to the SERP.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#36

Isn't this Google's job? Are developers a small but lucrative target and so the suits at Google don't see the benefit of improving that experience by cleaning up the spam? Can we just nudge them to do so under the threat of an influential minority leaving due to their use case being affected?

I think the disconnect comes from people expecting perfect search results as curated by humans, whereas Google necessarily must optimize for automated results. Automated results will never be perfect.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#37
post #8

Isn't this Google's job? Are developers a small but lucrative target and so the suits at Google don't see the benefit of improving that experience by cleaning up the spam? Can we just nudge them to do so under the threat of an influential minority leaving due to their use case being affected?

I think you're wildly overestimating the influence of the minority within HN (or other similar communities) that actually care enough to switch to another search engine. This reminds me of the Linux gamers who claim that they can influence game development companies by purchasing games with Linux ports, but wind up being less than 0.5% of sales of most games with Linux ports, which leads manufacturers to ignore that…

Not disagreeing with you.. big companies truly mostly ignore Linux but there are more than a few indie devs who support Linux as a platform. And I tend to play only indie games these days anyways because all the big commercial games have been reduced to some kind of click-and-succeed or free-to-play-and-milk-some-whales crap.

I personally am kinda happy where Linux gaming has come to be. Sure it could always be better but I remember times where there were only like 3 games for Linux and you had to compile them yourself..

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#39

Im afraid this is potentially dangerously political. Are you only going to filter obvious spam and sites that republish other’s content, or are you going to block sites that are “harmful” or disseminate “disinformation”? Who will get to decide which media bubble I’m in?

It can be made configurable - an option for github clones, another for SO clones, etc..., the folks who want to filter "harmful" content will add their category

Who sets the default 90% of people won’t touch?

Someone, give me the late 90’s cesspool of un-curated internet back! Everything is so… trite now.

Post reply on HN