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Ask HN: How would you save Yahoo and bring it back to top place ?

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Re: Ask HN: How would you save Yahoo and bring it back to top place ?

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"Back in top place" of what? Seriously, answering that question should probably be their number 1 priority. Right now they can't say that "What Yahoo! does is X," much less "Yahoo! is #1 at X," for any X. They need a direction. Answering that question won't solve all of their problems, not by a hell of a long shot, but anything that is effective at solving their problems will necessitate answering that question. They…

> Seriously, answering that question should probably be their number 1 priority.

Spot on. Focus on nothing else but this initially. Remember Carol Bartz's answer to "What is Yahoo?"?

    "What is Yahoo? Listen Yahoo is a great company that is very, very strong
     in content for its users, uses amazing technology to serve up what increasingly
     we think is going to be the web of one. For instance, on our today module in the 
     front page, every 5 minutes we have 32,000 different variations of that module. 
     So you don’t even know what I’m seeing in fact we serve a million different front 
     page modules a day and that’s just through content optimization. And that’s just 
     the beginning. Customized because we know the things you’re interested in. Maybe 
     you don’t like light entertainment maybe you like a certain sports team, etc. And 
     our click through rate went up twice. So the point is, people come to us to find 
     out what is going on with the world in a very nice quick fashion to do their 
     communications, email, messanger, check-in on their teens. We all know about 
     Yahoo finance. It’s a places where you can just get it together. It’s collated 
     for you, it’s all the things as you’re moving, you can even get your social 
     information there. Everybody moves through many websites in a day, Yahoo is one 
     they always stop at."
Ouch.

Link: http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/28/ok-seriously-what-is-yahoo/

Re: Ask HN: How would you save Yahoo and bring it back to top place ?

#33
Yahoo is just an agglomeration of crap, some of which is successful, some of which isn't. It only looks like a big thing because there's so much of it. If I were to take over yahoo I'd break it up into component parts and let them fare as they will. Yahoo stores would probably do just fine, maybe Flickr would find some new vigor, as for all the rest, who knows? But it's probably better than the slow, suffocating decline they're facing now.

Re: Ask HN: How would you save Yahoo and bring it back to top place ?

#34

I'd start with Yahoo Stores. PG, RTM, and Trevor Blackwell's creation was cutting-edge in 1996 but the web has changed a lot since then and Yahoo Stores hasn't. The store editor would proabably still work with Netscape 3, it's so non-web-2.0-ish. Even so, a lot of businesses still use it, but that number is probably shrinking. With Yahoo Stores up-to-date I would try to position Yahoo as a small-to-medium business po…

This got me to thinking. Can anybody think of any Yahoo property that appears to have received more than, say, the equivalent of 6 months work from a single dev over the course of the last 5 years? Flickr has seen some teeny tiny changes but everything else seems to be stuck in perpetual stasis.

Re: Ask HN: How would you save Yahoo and bring it back to top place ?

#37
post #27

1) A unified, coherent design language and user experience for the site. This would really make Yahoo stand out, as even Google is clunky with this ("more" and "even more"). As it stands currently, it's too visually cluttered and hard to navigate. Example: I used to use Babelfish a lot, but trying to browse to it from the front page is well-nigh impossible. Another thought: sort the list of Yahoo sub-sites by popular…

To your point 5, yes.

Google is cool because it lets you search for cool stuff, but they aren't anything identifiable except as they find cool stuff for you. gmail and plus, sort of, I guess.

Yahoo can BE cool stuff.

Re: Ask HN: How would you save Yahoo and bring it back to top place ?

#38
Here is a crazy option. Buy Square. Make Jack Dorsey CEO. Square could be the "PayPal for Yahoo" and Jack Dorsey is probably the closest person to Steve Jobs that you could get to run a company today.

Allow Square to operate separately, making Keith Rabois CEO of Square and put Jack Dorsey in charge of revitalizing the rest of Yahoo.

I think Yahoo's suite of verticals with the traffic that Yahoo has, if done right, could be the biggest asset for Yahoo and the closest thing to a unique asset that they have. So as a portal, Yahoo links to a lot of vertical services currently (Monster for jobs, Match for dating) or has there own owned-and-operated subsidiary (finance, autos, flickr).

Find ways that the verticals can be improved and invest heavily to do so. Preferably re-create verticals that are currently outsourced, but be patient with doing so. Be willing to shrink margins in the short term to gain market share. What is needed for each vertical will be different, but I imagine there is room for innovation and improvement in each. A lot of personnel changes will probably have to be made. The CEO (for this example Jack Dorsey) will need his cadets that he trusts to run the different products. I think a similar org-chart to Google's reorganization makes sense...a few people at the very top and then put someone in charge of each product and give them a lot of responsibility.

I think it may be possible to provide a rich and effective user experience so that overtime users would go directly to a Yahoo vertical instead of searching on Google or Bing/Yahoo. Also, Yahoo could then place some results from their vertical properties on top of the Yahoo search results to better serve Yahoo users (if they can actually do the verticals right). This could be a very interesting twist on search and a differentiator. It would be a risk, but I think something like that is needed to have a fighting chance to grow search market share which is currently at 17.9% and makes up 53% of Yahoo's revenue.

I wonder WWSJD? In Steve Job's 1997 keynote when he returned to Apple, he talked about vertical integration being the biggest strength of Apple, even though many others considered it a burden and a weakness. He admitted that many current Apple products sucked and that they needed to improved dramatically improve core products and kill off others in order to be competitive. He admitted the importance of integrating more tightly with Microsoft and didn't want to think of the situation as being Apple vs. Microsoft.

For Yahoo, their nearly complete suite of vertical products is potentially their biggest strength even though many consider it a burden and weakness. Yahoo has to admit that a lot of their products currently suck and will need to kill some off while dramatically improving others. Yahoo already admitted that they couldn’t cut it in the resource intensive search game and got out.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the portal can make a come back. SEO spammers have dramatically lowered search quality in certain areas and has made it harder for people to find the content that they really want to find. A portal can make it easy for the average web user to find what they looking for with a higher signal to noise ratio by a combination of high-quality curated content, vertical sites and a Bing-powered search engine with a Yahoo twist.

In reality, I don't know whether Yahoo really has the assets, the cachet or the people needed to pull off this turn around. If I was on the board, I would seriously consider a buy out offer if a sweet enough one came to the table. That being said, this plan would be a whole lot more fun to see being played out.

Re: Ask HN: How would you save Yahoo and bring it back to top place ?

#39

I'd start with Yahoo Stores. PG, RTM, and Trevor Blackwell's creation was cutting-edge in 1996 but the web has changed a lot since then and Yahoo Stores hasn't. The store editor would proabably still work with Netscape 3, it's so non-web-2.0-ish. Even so, a lot of businesses still use it, but that number is probably shrinking. With Yahoo Stores up-to-date I would try to position Yahoo as a small-to-medium business po…

This got me to thinking. Can anybody think of any Yahoo property that appears to have received more than, say, the equivalent of 6 months work from a single dev over the course of the last 5 years? Flickr has seen some teeny tiny changes but everything else seems to be stuck in perpetual stasis.

Good point. I do remember someone from Yahoo who spoke at the first Startup School about the webmail redesign - but that was five or six years ago. Why is everything stuck in perpetual stasis over there? Is it that the leadership doesn't have the vision to suggest or sign off on major redesigns, or that middle management can't make them happen?

Re: Ask HN: How would you save Yahoo and bring it back to top place ?

#40
This is more of a personal wish than a biz plan, but I would like to see yahoo focusing in becoming a WebService provider, push YAP (http://developer.yahoo.com/yap/) more, merge services and release a competitor to Google Prediction API.

I have the feeling that Yahoo services are way overlooked, at least in my circle of devels.

If I had to narrow the target down, I would start by focusing strongly on Geo(location|tagging|aware) services.

I used Placemaker (http://developer.yahoo.com/geo/placemaker/) at a previous company I worked for and it was not just the best tool for the job but basically the only viable option to bootstrap our use case (MetaCarta was great too, but with an higher cost).

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