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Ask HN: Is it still worth it to switch companies every few year?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it still worth it to switch companies every few year?

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I just evaluated a candidate and flagged it as “no” because they had too many position changes in the last 5 years. Switching jobs is fine, but if you overdo it, you risk looking like a bad investment.

yep and anyone who disagrees has likely never been in mgmt.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still worth it to switch companies every few year?

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Promotions are not worth anything these days, because the power is with the employer and not the employee. Therefore, the employer can deny a promotion and you can't do much due to that.

So, it's always better to switch, because if you get multiple offers, you retain the leverage to negotiate between each company and switch.

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180k USD as a grad? Seriously what am I doing with my life. I need to get to the US and start earning real money.

You won’t get those kind of jobs without a green card though. H1Bs are paid near slave labor wages in general.

This is only true for sweatshop-type companies. For places you'd actually want to work there is no difference in comp based on the type of visa someone is on. It's more about, we want to hire this engineer, what legal checkboxes do we need to tick to get them here. Sweatshops do take up the bulk of the H1B quota though, which is what gives this impression.

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Your problems is similar to the Secretary problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem . There is a perfect mathematical sound answer to your question: for the first n/e year n is the number of working years, e is Euler's constant) you should regularly switch jobs every 2 to 4 years. After these first n/e years you continue switching jobs regularly until you end up with a job that's better than all previo…

Not quite the same because you would typically have some idea about the quality of a company before joining.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still worth it to switch companies every few year?

#35

Job hopping is mostly for people trying to move up to better companies, not just better titles. If you’re being paid 180K out of college and your company regularly promotes with 33% raises then you’re already at a top company that gives proper raises. You don’t need to job hop unless you want to try a different company.

Out of school is not the time for job-hopping anyway, if you've already got a good job. It is the time for learning everything you can, for, I'd ballpark at about three years.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still worth it to switch companies every few year?

#36

I just evaluated a candidate and flagged it as “no” because they had too many position changes in the last 5 years. Switching jobs is fine, but if you overdo it, you risk looking like a bad investment.

Maybe, but the other side is that good software dev shops are hard to come by. Industry is filled with bad practices, overworking, bad management etc. I have had multiple companies to tell me to prioritize them over everything else. It can degrade the relationship into pure value conversations.

So don’t blame you, but there are reasons - and more than discussed - of why people job hop and understanding that is important.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still worth it to switch companies every few year?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's something I really can't get into my head. Why build a structure where promotion only means upwards in responsibility/into management. Just pay good people more to extend their tenure.

You’re supposed to automate your job away. That or develop enough material for someone else to take it over.

I agree with you. But the flip side is part of the value you provide is because of resource scarcity. In other words, you’re valuable because you do the job well, but automating / documenting is a drain on time that is often occupied by fire drills that come from those same senior people.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still worth it to switch companies every few year?

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I think location plays a role in the decision. If you live in SV, then maybe it would be worth switching in a few years. If you're just about anywhere else, I would say that $250k is great and not to look anywhere else. Either way, $180k straight out of college is awesome. Just my opinion as a dev making under $100k.

We, poor Europeans, can only dream about such salaries. Communism has won and now there is little motivation to do anything at all. Your tiny salary == social payments without doing any work.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still worth it to switch companies every few year?

#40

If this is not a troll, I dunno what a troll is. Makes $200k "out of college" and suavely asks "shall I hop"? It's like saying out loud in a crowded bus "I GOT A 12 INCH PENIS, should I take enlargement pills". Makes me vomit.

People who make $180k still have questions.
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