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Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

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Re: Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

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As a manager I would love to know what they are struggling with and what barriers I need to move for them.

For whatever reason, engineers think that because they can't get things done it's a reflection on themselves or their skills when that's often not the case.

Re: Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Screw the site guidelines - drive-by downvoting this comment is highly suspicious, and cowardly.

That may be, but the guidelines have a point. The original comment was interesting. Now it's just a distracting side conversation about downvotes.

That's only because you broke the guidelines and commented to create a generic tangent.

My edit to ask about why I was being downvoted is based on curiosity - a key pillar of this site. If people have a divergent opinion strong enough to downvote, then I would like to read it to understand more. Furthermore, my comment was not about comment voting, but about identifying and understanding that opposing position.

I out, since it seems you're just trolling on a tangent instead of commenting on the pertainate topic.

Re: Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

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post #8

Most bosses are aware of the issues, so an engineer playing a rebel and bringing them up wins nothing. The only way to attract attention is to leave.

I once had a series of exit interviews that went all the way up to the vp of engineering. I think they all knew the issues but didn’t want to admit it. I was also being coached on what to say to the higher levels. I really did not appreciate that.

Having never done an exit interview, are they required? Did you have to do them or lose some back-pay/benefits?

Re: Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

#34

Feedback on how I am doing as your manager. This isn't a dictatorship, it's a partnership. What can I do to change/help you? Most of my team is quiet on this sort of thing. Perhaps it's cultural? (Is this common for individuals who grew up in eastern Europe?)

What would this entail? I have had only a handful of managers, and only some of them good. What kind of things should I be looking for to give feedback to my manager?

I kinda feel like I'm watching a glassblower and getting asked "So what do you think?". I could say if I like the piece or not, but I don't know the first thing about glassblowing to give effective criticism.

Re: Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

#35

Feedback on how I am doing as your manager. This isn't a dictatorship, it's a partnership. What can I do to change/help you? Most of my team is quiet on this sort of thing. Perhaps it's cultural? (Is this common for individuals who grew up in eastern Europe?)

It's definitely cultural, generally speaking, employees from the wider asia area have similar cultural things where they are expected to submit to the manager / hierarchy.

It's definitely something to read up on if you end up managing people from abroad; I can't recommend any books but I believe there's a few.

Re: Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

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post #4

At least at big corporations it should be about all the corporate double talk and broken policies/promises. Edit: why downvote? This has been my experience. If we dont talk about it, then it will never be fixed.

No idea about the downvotes, but I could humbly offer a bystander’s constructive suggestions about how to improve the original comment. I’m not sure what you mean about corporate double talk and broken policies and promises, and the first sentence didn’t make clear it was your experience. It could help to elaborate with some examples of what needs to be fixed. It could help to work through why and how discussing it with your manager would help, since fixing it requires that they discuss it with their manager and with the whole team. It seems like an assumption that all big corporations have this problem - I assume you haven’t worked for all of them, right? Personally I’m working for a large corporation and I don’t see a lot of double-talk or broken policies or broken promises. I have seen some amount of double-talk in the past with a different large corporation, but it was related to very high level business decisions, and not really enough that it affected my day-to-day, and maybe more importantly was something that talking to my manager about would never have fixed. So anyway, all I’m trying to say is that there’s a lot of clarification you could add to your comment that would help explain where you’re coming from, what the problems really are that you’re experiencing, and how opening them up for discussion might open the door to fixing them.

Re: Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

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post #30

- That governance by fear is a sure way to kill motivation, creativity and to have passive employees who do not dare to fix things. - That supporting a competitive environment between employees is a sure way to kill motivation and creativity. - That the people going the extra mile to ensure a stable production environment gets acknowledged for their effort. - That throwing people under the bus makes you look really i…

If you have to tell your manager this, they are not going to be the sort of manager who will listen.

Not only that but chances are that they will become resentful and retaliate, perhaps unconsciously, perhaps not.

If you have a manager who needs to hear these sort of things they usually need to hear it in a very indirect way, such that they won’t lay the blame on you for being the messenger.

Re: Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

#38
post #14

Most bosses are aware of the issues, so an engineer playing a rebel and bringing them up wins nothing. The only way to attract attention is to leave.

Step 1: Assume nothing. 2: Voice your opinion directly to your supervisor in a respectful manner, and ask for follow-up. 3: Wait for follow up and track any changes made to processes or whatever. 4: Give a reasonable amount of time. 5: Then leave. If you skip to 5, you're not really trying to fix the problem. You're just jumping ship - that's not a solution, really. Being an adult professional in the workplace requir…

What's not adult and professional about increasing your tc by 30-40% every time you jump ship

Re: Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

#39
I talk about things they can change (for example our teams are multi-disciplinary, so I might feel we need to rebalance resources depending on the project.) We also don’t have a formal review process, so I ask for feedback on what I need to do differently and what I should keep doing.

Re: Ask HN: What do engineers never talk to their bosses about, but should?

#40

There are no general rules, different people will have different problems. For me: It was promotion and payrise-- as I was too scared I would be "found out" for not being good enough, which meant I didnt get either for many years; until I quit.

If they don't actively pursue whether you're "good enough" for a promotion or to be let go, they're not doing their job very well; IMO nobody should feel like they're stagnant in a job, and everybody's entitled to a pay rise every year, at least equivalent to inflation.

A manager should also have a moment of reflection at least once a year - how are you doing, where are you in terms of personal development, what can we do to boost your career, etc.

It's not in a manager nor a company's best interests to have a stagnant employee.

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