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Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#31
Not exactly what you are looking for but a related quote by Charles Bukowski: "The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence".

Often, on HN and Reddit, the most confident or authoritative sounding statements are also the most wrong. It always baffles me just how confident people can be in themselves when they really have no good basis for that confidence.

I think part of the problem is that we collectively tend to reward the "confident sounding" comments because we wrongly assume that only an actually knowledgeable person would have authored them.

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#32
1. Confidence can take you far

2. People usually have a lot of shallow knowledge on many things but deep knowledge on very few (if at all)

3. Many things are complicated enough that shallow knowledge==wrong knowledge from an expect point of view (the same way high school physics usually don't have friction, you sacrifice correctness for simplicity)

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#34

In my case, it just reaffirms the notion that being a smart fool is not really an oxymoron, and that people at large are fools, myself included. We all sometimes have a tendency to talk about the things we know jack about while posing as experts because we read an article in the Guardian about it once, or an abstract from a paper. Some more than others. In the world of show business and television, I’ve seen celebrit…

I see the same in the news a lot. When you are deep in an industry you see all the important errors they make reporting on what happened often missing the point entirely while making something else up. At any reasonable niche the amount of people who likely can have a quality opinion on something is really quite small and that includes alas the journalists who didn't grasp the details when they interviewed the experts.

We are all fools on many topics, most topics. One of my mentors in the past used to say there was no substitute for experience in an area. If you were joining a project and the members had a head start you should listen and learn because their experience was way ahead of your opinions on how it could be done.

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#35
Our modern economy pushes people to appear as "experts" for the purpose of their career, personal brand, and earnings. If someone poses as smart/an expert/well-crafted or well-filtered it's because they are playing the career game, or they look at others playing the career game around them and guess that they are supposed to act like that. Real intelligence is playful, open, curious and comes across as ridiculous most of the time.

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#36
What you're talking about is very closely related to the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/gell-mann-amnesia/

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#37
That depends on what you define as smart. I see that someone being intelligent goes beyond knowledge and rhetoric. So, I tend to believe that you can only 'truly' judge how smart someone is by being together involved in a topic that you two are not experts on. And this goes beyond pure logical reason, but also how it can connect things to reality and generate useful insights.

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#39

In my case, it just reaffirms the notion that being a smart fool is not really an oxymoron, and that people at large are fools, myself included. We all sometimes have a tendency to talk about the things we know jack about while posing as experts because we read an article in the Guardian about it once, or an abstract from a paper. Some more than others. In the world of show business and television, I’ve seen celebrit…

I see the same in the news a lot. When you are deep in an industry you see all the important errors they make reporting on what happened often missing the point entirely while making something else up. At any reasonable niche the amount of people who likely can have a quality opinion on something is really quite small and that includes alas the journalists who didn't grasp the details when they interviewed the expert…

I develop doubts when it comes to journalism, especially when it is presented from a point of authority and sold as truth. I don't with individuals, because all of us a prone to use expertise in field A to judge field B. Doing so constantly, and ignoring people knowing more than you is what makes you a fool.

Re: Ask HN: Are people only smart until they talk about things you know more about?

#40
Back in the 80s, a private pilot made the news by landing his plane on 280 (there was less traffic then, and it wasn't rush hour). His plane's engine had thrown a rod and he couldn't make it back to Palo Alto Airport. No one was hurt.

Coincidentally, I met him later and he talked about his experience with the journalists. He was wise to their laziness, and he made them all read their notes back so he could be sure they got it right.

I think in principle the reporters know they should be careful what they write, but in practice... deadlines, you know.

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