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Re: Ask HN: Any successful transitions from a tech/IT career to working in the arts?

#31
Like others have said, the arts is a pretty tough field. I'm busy transitioning the other way myself - dropped out of my IT degree 20 years ago to follow my dreams, never regretted it until the pandemic made live performance impossible 2 years ago.

I have noticed that some things are the same for both industries. Doing accounts, selling yourself to prospective employers, getting along with co-workers.. These are a big part of any job, so you should know where you stand there at least.

Also I think that nowadays, on some level, every job is a tech job.. I am a circus performer, but have a website; I use software for music, video production, lights, etc. Also I have automated our booking system which required programming. So yeah I think in the arts world, especially freelancing, some IT experience can come in handy.

At the end of the day, it's up to you. It's probably a good idea to try your luck with writing part time at first - that worked for me (making apps for fun -> full time web developer)

Don't give up on your dream!

Re: Ask HN: Any successful transitions from a tech/IT career to working in the arts?

#32
I’ve done the opposite, I switched from arts to tech. Being able to use programming to create art is fantastic. I can clearly remember the days where creating images _always_ was a manual task (I used Adobe Photoshop at the time). Now I would use Processing, Python, Node.js or look into Adobe scripts whenever I have to make graphics that involve some kind of automation. I wish I had that knowledge/skill back when I studied at my art academy.

Your question is about transitioning from tech to arts though, so I can only reply with the steps that I would take (with my currrent knowledge).

Art schools/academies often have part-time courses, or an ‘evening school’. My mom -a nurse by trade- actually graduated from a renowned art academy two years ago, by finishing the part-time course. Don’t be fooled by the term ‘part-time’ though, as any good art academy course takes a lot of time and effort. I’m glad I’ve got my degree. My current tech job is so much easier than studying at an art school.

I would strongly recommend that you find a good course at a good school and go for it. Online courses cannot replicate a good arts education. The in-person examinations and presentations are very valuable. Also consider moving (abroad) to find a good school if there are none near to you.

Your last sentence resonates with me, do it now while you’re still young! :)

I’ve worked as a coding teacher at an art academy, teaching graphic design students, FYI.

Re: Ask HN: Any successful transitions from a tech/IT career to working in the arts?

#33
I have a tech career, but am a working jazz musician on the side. I have a couple of thoughts about this.

First, ignore the economic implications. The reason is simply that the economics of an arts career are a known known. Nobody goes into those careers blindly. You won't either. Perhaps the only widespread misconception is that there's a tier of artists below the superstar level, who can earn a living at it. There isn't. At the second tier, you're already competing with day-jobbers like me for $100 gigs.

Second, consider the skill level of first tier artists and how they got to that level. This varies from field to field and might help you choose a field where you have a realistic chance of getting a job aside from the economics (sociology), or don't (classical violin performance). To clarify the comparison:

Classical violinists are already playing at close to a professional level before they start college. At your age (assuming you're older than 8), you don't have a chance at making your hands do those things, or mastering skills such as sight-reading. I started playing music at age 8.

On the other hand, sociologists start college with a fairly general skill set but no particular expertise in sociology. A friend of mine went to grad school in sociology after a masters degree in classical guitar performance. Between the requirement for a graduate degree, and the lack of interest from anybody else, the job market is still overcrowded and underpaid, but not to the same level as music.

Consider as an alternative working yourself up to a very high skill level as a dedicated amateur. There are people in my area who do things like write books about the local history and culture, that sell 50 copies. Or, they work up and perform obscure musical styles that are not commercially viable. There's a guy who specializes in baroque keyboard music, and even the local pro's go to his performances.

Re: Ask HN: Any successful transitions from a tech/IT career to working in the arts?

#34
As someone who previously kept a successful side hustle in arts and lifestyle journalism* while working full time in tech in my 20s and early 30s (wrote fashion and lifestyle columns and articles for newspapers and magazines) - do it as a side hustle first.

There are lots of arts talent roles, but here's one view from writing:

It costs you nothing to find editors and pitch articles to them in your off time, and you can see how far you get. Quitting a tech job to pursue it without making money on it first is substituting a commitment ploy on yourself for using your actual skills to succeed. Do you want to be a martyr to your own dream because it represents the reinvention you desire, or do you want to survive to have the choice to do the thing well? Writing is 90% an itinerant sales job, and the marginally better quality of your writing to anyone elses is going to go through the filter of the house voice of editors first anyway. A "career" in journalism now is more of a political career than one in arts. Sure, there's performance involved, but it's mainly a narrative gatekeeping role that is unrelated to artistic talent, insight, or skill, and getting a full time role favors a certain kind of navigator or operator. Being 70th percentile writer talent is just table stakes.

Figure out if you are organizationally savvy enough to land a prestige magazine/media job, and then ask, if you're really that good, why would you waste that skill for an intern level salary in a dying business, when the skills could make you jr. exec level at a real social center of power like a platform company, ibank, political campaign, etc.

If you like the arts, partner up with a gallery owner and invest or raise money for them.

I'd recommend abstracting the roles you're considering from the work itself. e.g. Do you want to write opinions instead of code, manage writers instead of developers, sell and trade in access instead of products, etc.

It's possible you just want to be a professor, which is its own decades long slog through adjunct hell as well, but the beauty of relatively high paying tech jobs is that you can use them as leverage into these other things on the side.

Re: Ask HN: Any successful transitions from a tech/IT career to working in the arts?

#35
TLDR: Start with some CLI text games in Node.js :)

Three viable options:

* Work in tech until you're financially independent (you should be able to pull this off in a decade or 15 years at most), then retire from tech and start working in writing/journalism full time without needing to worry about the fact that you could be making $40k at best for the rest of your life. You'd have plenty of time. After leaving a youthful interest in writing for a career in insurance, Chandler didn't come back to writing until he was in his 40s. It was then that he wrote his best (and best known) work

* Write on the side. You can make a good income and still comfortably fit in 15-20 hours a week of writing. WCW was a doctor and wrote poetry on the side. Many other role models here of course. The trick is to find a job that respects WLB and to avoid positions of time-consuming responsibility, but this is not difficult in tech if you're not trying to maximize income

* Broaden your understanding of the arts to include games (this one makes good sense to me as someone with an MFA in game design). Then, you can get a programming job at a game studio. From there, if you like, you can move towards/into design through "gameplay programmer" and "technical designer" roles. The upside here is that you can use many of your existing math/CS skills, and the money is ok (only in commercial gamedev, though. Solo gamedev artists starve like all other artists everywhere and forever). Another upside is that you can get started making games today using the skills you have and a tool like Godot. You can get a feel for whether you like it while practicing skills relevant to your current career

If I was you, I'd go with gamedev on the side and start working on some small story-driven (or even text-only) games using some tool that's tailored for those genres, like Twine or Ren'Py. Or honestly, just a CLI Node.js text game, why not

Good luck. Most programming jobs at medium/large orgs are boring as shit so I get wanting out

Re: Ask HN: Any successful transitions from a tech/IT career to working in the arts?

#36
post #28

I went from a career as a full-time musician to a tech worker. When I say "career", I mean that I literally got by with the minimum of everything. It was fine in my 20s, but quickly became unsustainable in my 30s. This is why so many comments in this thread are focused on money. The typical path for artists is to start young and broke, or young with wealthy parents. Then it just becomes a story of financial attrition…

This is close to what happened to me. I went back to study sculpture in my 30s, and although I loved it, and still have creative projects, I realised pretty quickly that I wasn't ready to go back to a hand-to-mouth lifestyle, living in shabby digs in the cheap part of town. Now I have a family and there's absolutely no way I'd want to go back to that kind of financial insecurity. For every Damien Hirst and Grayson Perry there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of struggling artists. I met quite a few fine artists who were full-time professionals making genuinely wonderful work, represented by well-regarded galleries, who despite being able to occasionally sell pieces in the tens of thousands of pounds were still scraping a living teaching at art college. (Not helped by the fact that galleries generally take at least 50% of any sale price).

Re: Ask HN: Any successful transitions from a tech/IT career to working in the arts?

#37
post #32

I’ve done the opposite, I switched from arts to tech. Being able to use programming to create art is fantastic. I can clearly remember the days where creating images _always_ was a manual task (I used Adobe Photoshop at the time). Now I would use Processing, Python, Node.js or look into Adobe scripts whenever I have to make graphics that involve some kind of automation. I wish I had that knowledge/skill back when I s…

> Being able to use programming to create art is fantastic.

What do you think about the demoscene?

Re: Ask HN: Any successful transitions from a tech/IT career to working in the arts?

#38

I have a tech career, but am a working jazz musician on the side. I have a couple of thoughts about this. First, ignore the economic implications. The reason is simply that the economics of an arts career are a known known. Nobody goes into those careers blindly. You won't either. Perhaps the only widespread misconception is that there's a tier of artists below the superstar level, who can earn a living at it. There…

> Perhaps the only widespread misconception is that there's a tier of artists below the superstar level, who can earn a living at it. There isn't.

I'd put one minor twist on that, in that it depends on how "commercial" the art field is that you're getting into. For example, for anyone in a pure entertainment field (musician, actor, comedian, etc.), I'd agree. But I have some artistic friends who got into other fields like carpentry and painting who actually make a good living at it.

The carpentry example is a guy who studied traditional Japanese woodworking in Japan, and now has a pretty thriving business designing and making high-end furniture for interior design clients. Same with the painter, he's a pretty incredible portrait painter so he gets a lot of commissions from rich clients to do portraits and other interior painting for big remodel or new build projects.

Re: Ask HN: Any successful transitions from a tech/IT career to working in the arts?

#39

TLDR: Start with some CLI text games in Node.js :) Three viable options: * Work in tech until you're financially independent (you should be able to pull this off in a decade or 15 years at most), then retire from tech and start working in writing/journalism full time without needing to worry about the fact that you could be making $40k at best for the rest of your life. You'd have plenty of time. After leaving a yout…

> Broaden your understanding of the arts to include games

I came here to post this. I only worked in the game dev industry for ~6 months, but it was clear to me this is how I would break into any form of "art" myself. All manner of creative things exist in the space of game development too. Writing, painting, music, cinema, modeling, etc. It's all there.

Re: Ask HN: Any successful transitions from a tech/IT career to working in the arts?

#40
I think your first challenge is to define what you mean by "successful". I no longer build software, and instead build wooden furniture. Setting aside the question of whether or not that's the arts (I don't care one way or the other), my partner and I went into that career change knowing full well it would never pay the way software did.

We've also structured our lives such that we can live with the fluctuations in income that result from that career change. We live in modest places, drive older cars (verging on shitbox in my case, but I do most of my own work and can keep an older car running. Her car is newer), don't eat out much (even in normal times) and vacation inexpensively (we're both hikers). I suspect you know this, at least abstractly, but it bears pointing out.

Given our current goals, our working version of success is that my income will help us cut into the principal of a mortgage much more rapidly than we could on hers alone. Mind you we need to find a house to buy first, but details. Point being, we're looking in a price range that we can afford on her income indefinitely. Success for us looks like owning it outright faster than we would without my income.

Less tangibly, success has included me being excited about my work. I was not excited about going and writing code for pretty much the whole time we were together before I made that career change.

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