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Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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Germany is a very easy to entry point for you as a software developer. The market is huge and there is shortage of good candidates. Polish up your linkedin profile and start applying for positions in germany. Good luck!

It's just that the pay is abysmal and locals hate immigrants :)

Well, you should not promise them to return wit tanks and they will be pretty welcoming

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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post #7
post #4

Germany is a very easy to entry point for you as a software developer. The market is huge and there is shortage of good candidates. Polish up your linkedin profile and start applying for positions in germany. Good luck!

It's just that the pay is abysmal and locals hate immigrants :)

Agree on pay, especially after taxes. But immigrant hate isn't quite true. At least it depends where you go, e.g. Berlin is extremely multicultural and tolerant. But your experience in a small farmer village may be different.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, aside from perhaps very specific domains (e.g. finance) or corporations, the pay probably looks dismal if you compare it to SV levels. Making six figures is certainly something hard to reach. Ditto on the immigrants thing though, Germany is certainly not the worst country in that regard.

The number of figures is pretty irrelevant when you factor in cost of living.

It makes it even worse for Europe, then. Cost of living has been growing consistently faster than salaries.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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Do you count the UK or just EU countries? London still has top class developer jobs going, but I assume it's much harder to get in nowadays.

I would assume it's the same amount of effort as before, if you're coming from outside the EU. I can attest to the UK having well-paid developer jobs though, especially in London. I'm not in London but I have friends who are and they're doing well.

I would go even further and say it's easier now for non-EU people, because we just eliminated a whole class of advantaged competition. Now when you compete with someone from the EU you're on equal terms.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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I assume the easiest method is to obtain a EU passport. So the followup is how to get an EU passport? If I recall correctly (read it a few years ago), some EU countries, you could buy your way into a passport. Not sure if it is still true. And I remember the larger (richer?) EU countries were not happy with the countries doing that.

> I assume the easiest method is to obtain a EU passport. I am... not sure this is true, and I'm not sure why you would think it is? Usually its much easier to obtain a work visa than a passport.

Again, I think it depends where you're coming from - and what you want to do.

I work in the UK and have a number of Indian (national) colleagues (some previously subcontractors, some offshore brought onshore).

Getting people into the UK office to work seems relatively easy - if you've got a decently paying job waiting for you, you get a visa (and just have to deal with paperwork a bit of paperwork and renewals).

Transferring between jobs is a little trickier, but seems to work fine (just need to bridge the visa requirements across the two jobs).

Getting UK passport makes the job switching easier - but is a fair sized hurdle to pass. Years of residency required, tests to pass etc. People I know who took this, were those that settled with a family and intended to stay long-term.

One 'gotcha' with just the visa is that it makes travelling for work harder, depending on where you want to go. EU passport holders can pretty much go where they like globally for that important meeting next Monday (y'know, back when we could jump on a plane).

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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Croatia just started a program where you can stay for a year (instead of the usual 90 days) as a digital nomad.

> A DIGITAL NOMAD IS a third-country national who is employed or performs work through communication technology for a company or his own company that is not registered in the Republic of Croatia and does not perform work or provide services to employers in the Republic of Croatia.

https://www.croatia.hr/en-GB/travel-info/croatia-your-new-of...

If you have a remote job or freelancing, this is a good first step.

AFAIK there are only four countries in the world where you can stay more than three months in a situation like this:

1. Barbados was the first to start such a digital nomad program https://barbadoswelcomestamp.bb/ 2. Canada immigration authorities have openly declared remotely employed doesn't count as work so you can stay for six months without a problem 3. There's Svalbard. Yeah you can stay indefinitely and work... if you can afford it. Not to mention it "rather resembles Mordor after it has frozen over". 4. And now Croatia.

Read more at https://travel.stackexchange.com/q/45092/4188

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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post #21

At least for Germany it seems fairly straight forward. You simply need to qualify for a blue card. https://service.berlin.de/dienstleistung/324659/en/ The target salary you need to achieve is € 44k / year. As described in other comments, once you have found a job your employer will be able to help you take care of the admin topics of getting a visa. There is no need to speak German and many Berlin based tech companie…

For blue card you need a university degree. So (my) the advise would be: get a university degree.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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post #8

It's absurdly easy, just look for a job that qualifies for Green Card (almost any developer job is). Caveat: since you are assumingly planning to immigrate from a poor country, you should remember that immigration will most certainly lower your living standard for a while or maybe forever, and certainly and forever lower your social standing.

There’s no such thing as Green Card in Europe, and each country has their own immigration rules.

There is the Blue Card though, which is EU-wide.

Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer

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post #37
post #21

At least for Germany it seems fairly straight forward. You simply need to qualify for a blue card. https://service.berlin.de/dienstleistung/324659/en/ The target salary you need to achieve is € 44k / year. As described in other comments, once you have found a job your employer will be able to help you take care of the admin topics of getting a visa. There is no need to speak German and many Berlin based tech companie…

For blue card you need a university degree. So (my) the advise would be: get a university degree.

If you don't have a degree, but have a decent amount of experience, Germany will generally still happily take you (but not all EU countries - depends how desperate they are for devs). You need to go through the standard German skilled migrant process though, rather than the simplified Blue Card one.
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