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Ask HN: Can you switch to a programming career despite nearing 40?

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Re: Ask HN: Can you switch to a programming career despite nearing 40?

#31
Yes, absolutely, but not for the reasons you might think.

Take any other industry and compare the difference in requirements. Any other industry starts from a license/certification and works outward toward professional experience. Software doesn’t have that. There are many insecure and incompetent people employed writing software and it’s hard to tell them apart.

If you want to write software and be employable you have to temper your expectations. On one hand you need to separate yourself from the crowd by really diving in and making software a passion. Become that master craftsman that loves to build high quality products with least effort by knowing where to find the polish and all the fine details. It is easier to compete for employment when you strive for excellence more than everyone else. If you can find employment easily, because you strive for excellence more than everyone else, you also have options and flexibility most people don’t have.

On the other hand realize most of your peers in the workplace are doing the minimal necessary to achieve employment. The insecurity is high and they aren’t looking to rock the boat. They barely got their current job and realize if they lose this current job it will be quite some time before they find the next job at the same rate unless they abandon software for management. This means there is also some defensiveness and desperation baked into the insecurity that you don’t have with all your flexibility and employment options. These people are not looking for innovation or disruption, they are looking to keep their salary and healthcare.

Just know that difference will be there regardless of which side you find yourself. More than anything else the difference is driven by personality.

For the moment, starting out, just start building things. Write software for yourself. It doesn’t matter if it’s crappy, as you are learning. Practice makes perfect.

Re: Ask HN: Can you switch to a programming career despite nearing 40?

#32
If you have expertise in some STEM field, it shouldn't be too hard to get a job in tech. You won't get an amazing job at first, but you will eventually, when you come across a company that needs someone with your skills.

Other than that, personally I would avoid working for small startups, this is probably good advice for most people but especially for those who are 30+.

Re: Ask HN: Can you switch to a programming career despite nearing 40?

#33

I keep reading here that somehow “energy” gives young people advantage. In my experience, having lots of energy can help or hinder. Being a good programmer requires patience, mature view of the world and the ability to think critically. Reading articles and coding all day just serves the ego. A very small portion of young people spend time learning the fundamentals and think about consequences. So, I think you have a…

I don't think it's necessarily energy so much as lack of other obligations, like having dependents you have to care for outside of normal business hours.

I see this not only among 20-something unmarried workers with no children but also among single workers in their 30s, 40s, and 50s who are either childless or whose children are older and less dependent on them. There's more flexibility to be able to work a little late when needed, or attend networking events or conferences without having to worry about childcare.

Re: Ask HN: Can you switch to a programming career despite nearing 40?

#34
post #9

Of course you can! I decided to learn to code when I was 37yo. Now I am 41 and I earn a lot more as a junior developer than I ever did in any other job. I wrote a lot about my path and I think it can help both in the why and the how: https://rodrigohgpontes.github.io/ Good luck!

Older devs even with many years experience have it harder. That’s my own experience.

Yeah I mean I plan to be consulting or a CTO or something by that age. Unless you are crazy specialist I think you need to branch out into strategy or have enough reputation and connetions to earn silly money freelancing.

Re: Ask HN: Can you switch to a programming career despite nearing 40?

#35
Aim at automating something related to something you know very well, as an entry point. Your 20 year exp in IndustryX + a few techy skills could be super useful IMO.

A few tech skills on their own will be a hard grind I'd guess, so try not change industry entirely.

Re: Ask HN: Can you switch to a programming career despite nearing 40?

#36
post #29

If you are starting from scratch I wouldn't advise it, it's a highly specialised, ever changing field. On the bright side, a very rewarding path is to pick up a scripting language (any) and start automating the tasks around you. For example networks, load balancers, IPAMs, databases, monitoring tools... everything has an API you can "attack", extract info, configure and start making an inmediate impact in your field.

I strongly disagree software engineering is not an advisable career for 40 year old. I fail to see how the situation is any different for a 40 year old than for younger junior devs who either get education or self-educate and start coding. I think the most important thing is to accept you can never stop learning. Agree playing around is a good idea :)

"Was Hänschen nicht lernt, lernt Hans nimmermehr."

Aka the things you learn at that young age are nearly impossible to learn when you're not young anymore.

Re: Ask HN: Can you switch to a programming career despite nearing 40?

#37
post #7

I have a lawyer friend who learned to program from scratch, starting older than 40. He works for a large automaker now writing javascript web apps and is way happier than when he was lawyering. It took him less than 2-3 years to switch.

It’s easier to hang up a shingle and open a boutique law firm, specializing in some niche aspect of legal services. You basically get to be your own boss.

It’s much harder to do the same as a programmer.

Re: Ask HN: Can you switch to a programming career despite nearing 40?

#38
Outside of cult-like SV, you'll be fine.

There are tons of companies that need programmers to solve problems. If you have a base understanding already in a field, work towards programming things in that field. Having deep knowledge of a field can help you.

You didn't give much info about your background. If you can use an existing job to start doing programming, do it. If you are an office worker and use Excel for nearly anything, that can also likely be solved as a CRUD web application. Do it on your own time if your employer won't allow work time on it. Also look into automation of things you or co-workers do.

Generally speaking, I would say outside of careers requiring extreme amounts of education/certification (medical doctors, rocket scientists) you can generally switch careers from anything to anything. The advantage with programming is you can learn 100% of it online and you don't need a degree to enter the field.

Re: Ask HN: Can you switch to a programming career despite nearing 40?

#40
Yes, absolutely. I did at 35. Find the aspects of the work you love the most and let them guide you. A bootcamp or similar educational experience should help you ask the right questions at the outset, and will be a significant boost to your self study.

Any mid-life career change carries risk, so I recommend speaking with your family and/or loved ones to make your intent clear. I also saved money for a while before joining a bootcamp to take pressure off of my wife during the training and to ease the job search after finishing.

Most important tip: talk to people. Ask software engineers about their work, lives, interests, practices. Whether you take some formal schooling or not, learning about how people work and why they make decisions will help you move forward more quickly. Without that context it's easy to get lost in a sea of details.

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