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Ask HN: Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political?

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Re: Ask HN: Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political?

#31
You said: I am not finding anything insightful from any political discussion online. Is it just me?

No it is not just you.

You asked: What do you think is the biggest reason for the current condition?

I believe the single-greatest contributor to the current condition is the way in which wholesale dehumanization of "the other" has been utterly normalized.

My opinion is that this type of Political Puritanism (seriously afflicting both sides of the political spectrum) is product of a "win-at-any-cost" mentality.

Re: Ask HN: Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political?

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to add: 30 years ago there was nearly as much hand-wringing about pork-barrel politics as there is today about our insane partisanship. It led to its fair share of sub optimal decisions...

We used to be worried about the national debt. Now it feels like a given that it's all funny money.

"Not funny ha-ha, but funny 'BANKRUPT'"

Re: Ask HN: Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political?

#34
I don't associate politics with pessimism. For me, following the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign from a distance was one of the highlights of 2020. Watching the live stream in the middle of the night of Public Enemy's concert from Los Angeles was amazing! Bernie didn't become US president but it felt like it was close. A socialist US president would have been cool. In my country, we don't have nowhere near the same energy and enthusiasm the Bernie Sanders campaign had, but political work is still very rewarding, imo.

I agree though that Hacker News has become very snarky. For example, if you were to write that you find Scala difficult, ten guys would reply by explaining how that makes you a crappy developer. Pointless sharing stuff when all you get back are nitpicks and potshots.

Re: Ask HN: Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political?

#35

There is no single reason for why this is happening but I do have a few suspicions on what is contributing to it. 1) The internet is directly and indirectly incentivizing this kind of attention seeking behavior. It's rewarding to be noticed, upvoted, and retweeted. Pleasant, well reasoned, and evenhanded discussion rarely gets as much attention as sassy clapbacks. 2) Younger generations have been raised to believe th…

I've noticed what you say about younger people. I'm in my early 40s and my sister is her early 20s. My Dad is an aerospace engineer and we were discussing the work that Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin is doing with their rockets. When my sister buts in and goes on a 20 minute rant about how it is unethical for billionaires to exist. It really pissed me off as I don't get to talk to my Dad much[1], especially about things he…

youth is wasted on the young

Re: Ask HN: Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political?

#36

There is no single reason for why this is happening but I do have a few suspicions on what is contributing to it. 1) The internet is directly and indirectly incentivizing this kind of attention seeking behavior. It's rewarding to be noticed, upvoted, and retweeted. Pleasant, well reasoned, and evenhanded discussion rarely gets as much attention as sassy clapbacks. 2) Younger generations have been raised to believe th…

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Re: Ask HN: Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political?

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to add: 30 years ago there was nearly as much hand-wringing about pork-barrel politics as there is today about our insane partisanship. It led to its fair share of sub optimal decisions...

We used to be worried about the national debt. Now it feels like a given that it's all funny money.

That's because we passed the "We have to pay this off" point, passed the "Our children have to pay this off" point, passed the "It's okay if we never pay off the national debt as long as our GDP grows faster than it", and are now at "Now is not the time to worry about the debt, people are revolting on the streets!"

We know how this rodeo ends, but nobody wants to think about bad things.

Re: Ask HN: Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political?

#38
The internet has definitely gotten a lot more political if you're seeking to engage. In general feels like everything has. Work, family, friends, relationships.

It used to not be unusual to have good relationships among people with different political opinions, today, not so sure.

Re: Ask HN: Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political?

#39
post #34

I don't associate politics with pessimism. For me, following the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign from a distance was one of the highlights of 2020. Watching the live stream in the middle of the night of Public Enemy's concert from Los Angeles was amazing! Bernie didn't become US president but it felt like it was close. A socialist US president would have been cool. In my country, we don't have nowhere near the s…

This forum is full of people who've decided that taking the piss and hating everything is a valid substitute for informed skepticism and intellectual rigor. People who think they're very clever quoting pithy one-liners from an author whose books they've never bothered to read.

edit: and yes I am aware of the irony in this comment.

Re: Ask HN: Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political?

#40
Why has the internet become so pessimistic and political? Because people are so pessimistic and political.

Has it always been like this, or is it getting worse? Yes. Yes, people have always been like this, and it's getting worse.

Why is it getting worse? I think it's because the gain is too high (think of an audio system developing feedback). Before, when you ran into some opinionated loudmouth who wouldn't listen to anything, you walked away, or you just ignored the guy ranting in the bar and talked to your own group. You ran into them in small numbers and in limited interactions. Now, they have a really big microphone, and they can be heard all over the world.

So they encounter others like themselves much more often now - others that they agree with, and others that they don't. The fraction of what we hear that is conversation between such people has gone way up. That's bad enough, but it makes some people who weren't that way think that that's the way to be heard, and they start acting that way. Even worse, some people are genuinely converted, and start acting that way out of the conviction of their new zealotry.

That may not be the only factor at play. It may not even be a correct analysis. But that's what I think is going on.

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