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Ask HN: Decade-long plan to FIRE starting just under age 40?

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Re: Ask HN: Decade-long plan to FIRE starting just under age 40?

#31
FIRE is a lifestyle and in my view the main goal of it is effectivity. Retiring for the sake of retiring does not make one automatically happy. Instead you should understand what makes you happier and optimize for it. As a result, FIRE does not mean "don't spend money", instead it is "don't spend money on stuff you don't care about". Thus, I disagree with commenters framing FIRE as "living in poverty to live in poverty without a job". One can be FIRE (or on track to) and still live a great life spending enough money to be happy.

That's why I think your question is a bit backward. Instead of wanting to reach FIRE in 10 years, try to understand why you want it. FIRE is just a tool giving you ~40 additional hours per week. Why do you want this time? If one is unhappy with their life before FIRE, they will just have 40 more hours to be unhappy.

Re: Ask HN: Decade-long plan to FIRE starting just under age 40?

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Start by considering why you want to retire - is there something you want to do that you can't do while working? If not then you condemn yourself to 10 years of hard work and living in poverty in order to be bored and live in poverty for the next 50 years. A good job can be a source of joy, achievements, self worth, contacts with people and money. I'm a programmer with a relatively low paying but stress-free job and…

I'd add to this as well - if it is something you can't do while working, is it also something you can't do while working say 6 or 9 months out of 12 or even 2 years out of 3? There are probably a lot more options than you think to structure a career in this way.

Do you think most people could really do a 2 year on - 1 year off thing? To me that sounds great -- I can definitely save a year of expenses every 2 years... but I wonder what job prospects would be, or other adverse affects.

Re: Ask HN: Decade-long plan to FIRE starting just under age 40?

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd add to this as well - if it is something you can't do while working, is it also something you can't do while working say 6 or 9 months out of 12 or even 2 years out of 3? There are probably a lot more options than you think to structure a career in this way.

Do you think most people could really do a 2 year on - 1 year off thing? To me that sounds great -- I can definitely save a year of expenses every 2 years... but I wonder what job prospects would be, or other adverse affects.

I know three or four people who've done this so it's a small sample and maybe they just got lucky. Generally it happened because they finally got fed up enough of the previous full time/permanent job they were in that they just left to deliberately take time out with no plan beyond that (though for one his previous employer went bankrupt leaving him out of a job). From what I've seen the initial decision to leave was far and away the hardest part.

What seems to have worked well is signing up for a contracting agency who look after the "finding work" part of the job in return for a cut of the pay and working on a series of 6-18 month fixed term contracts. This reduced the stress of finding work enormously. It also means that when you come back after a break, you're then more of a known quantity in a way you wouldn't be if you were trying to organise this all yourself.

You probably need to be at a certain point in your career (sufficiently qualified that you can slot into an existing organisation and be immediately productive) and not really care about career progression (there's no corporate ladder to climb any more so you're stuck in the middle somewhere which may bother some people). You'll also lose out on any long term compensation arrangements like stock options etc and typically that won't be fully compensated with a higher rate short term (at least from what I've seen) - it's a pure loss to you.

If you want to do it this way then the key thing is to work out which the good agencies to work for are - many are not well known even within their own specialist industry but they will have contacts at the right places in the right organisations. It's not something which works for every industry but where technical skills matter and contacts don't there are more roles like this around than you may think.

Re: Ask HN: Decade-long plan to FIRE starting just under age 40?

#34
I personally don't expect to retire by living off my investments, because asset prices have blown up so much due to low interest rates. Basically it's a possibility that future returns have been pulled forward, and markets can go nowhere for long periods while having low dividends

That being said, in the near term some are bullish that this uptrend process isn't done yet. It'll just be too late for me to amass enough to benefit from that and retire.

Re: Ask HN: Decade-long plan to FIRE starting just under age 40?

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think most people could really do a 2 year on - 1 year off thing? To me that sounds great -- I can definitely save a year of expenses every 2 years... but I wonder what job prospects would be, or other adverse affects.

I know three or four people who've done this so it's a small sample and maybe they just got lucky. Generally it happened because they finally got fed up enough of the previous full time/permanent job they were in that they just left to deliberately take time out with no plan beyond that (though for one his previous employer went bankrupt leaving him out of a job). From what I've seen the initial decision to leave was…

Thanks for this answer, I really appreciate it.

Re: Ask HN: Decade-long plan to FIRE starting just under age 40?

#36
If you’d consider living somewhere else, geographic arbitrage completely changes the math: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CIOG69D4Gk

Work remotely for a western tech salary and save 90% of it. That person’s $500/month example is pretty extreme, but one can live well in most of Mexico, a lot of SE Asia, and a lot of South America for under $1000/month.

If you’re planning to move for a long period or potentially forever, be aware that Spanish is much easier to learn than, say, Thai, and some countries (Mexico!) are much more flexible about visa extensions and permanent residency than others.

(Doing this with kids is much, much harder because most “international schools” charge very high tuition. The math probably doesn’t work out, especially compared to moving to a low cost of living town in your existing first-world country.)

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