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Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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Worked for a startup in 2000 which Sun Microsystems bought. My options get switched to Sun options, and had a strike price higher than the value of the shares. Right before the options were set to expire, I got a call from someone at Solomon Smith Barney (remember that) who was like "I know the answer is no, but do you want to exercise these?" lol That job, and especially my time at Sun, super kickstarted my career (…

pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does exercising stock options mean?

A stock option is a contract that entitles the holder of the option to either buy or sell stock at a price specified at the time of the contracts creation (this is the “strike price”). The price can be anything. The value of the option is, very roughly speaking, the difference between the current price (“spot price”) and the strike price. The action of using your contract to actually do the buying or selling of shares is called “exercising” the option, and it “uses up” the contract. Each contract is for 100 shares (a “round lot”). When exercising your option and then buying or selling the shares immediately at the strike price would make you money, the option is said to be “in the money”. If not, the option is “out of the money”.

The parent comment is noting that their options are out of the money, so they’re worthless. No point in exercising.

Options are highly complicated financial instrument though, so this is a very rough explanation. This is not financial advice.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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Bought $10K of options before I quit. 20 years later the company has gone public and has a market cap of several billion. My options? "Extinguished" in some "event" 18 years ago. My guess is that's the event where they screwed as many employees as they could.

Which company?

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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I doubt many people lost money. If you're going to lose money, you don't exercise the options. I had some in-the-money options. I operated on what you might call the principle of least regret. I wanted to get at least something from them, in case it went down. But I wanted to get more if it went up. So I sold part of my options when they were in the money. Then, after it went up some more, I sold some more. Then, aft…

This is an extremely bad take.

Due to exercise windows, people are often forced to either give up all of their options, or exercise them when it is unclear that they will be worthless.

> So I sold part of my options when they were in the money.

If you were able to sell your options, then you were in a totally different situation than what is being discussed here.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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The problem is that you never know when a liquidity event will happen, and not all outcomes involve you at least breaking even. The company I have my exercised options with hasn’t gotten acquired, hasn’t gone public, it just hobbles along failing to make a profit year after year receiving round after round of funding by investors who just hope to turn the company viable. I was only able to buy a few hundred bucks of…

> I don’t want thousands of dollars in my investments riding on the success of one single company

Myself as well. For the private companies where I had options, most never worked out as being worth anything so not acting on them was the actual money-saving move. For the public companies, act on them if they're worth something when they vest and take the profit over to a mutual fund; I have had some options vest at 2x the current stock price making them useless, so you just play it vesting date by vesting date and hope for some profit on each chunk.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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Not at a start up but I worked at a company that had yearly options or RSU grants (your choice) and a share purchase plan. Got acquired after 2.5 years and hand't exercised/sold anything up to that point. Acquiring company accelerated grants and employer match so I ended up with about 60k CAD post tax. Would have only been about 20k if they didn't accelerate.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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In the .COM bubble, many, many employees got crushed by exercising and holding options that were in the money when they exercised. 'Accountants and politicians were inundated with horror stories' [0]. The crushing happened when the stock price subsequently crashed below what their option price was. That circumstance meant they were liable to pay tax on the capital gain from exercising, but, did not have enough equity in the shares to cover the tax liability.

Generally, only exercise if the shares are in the money and 1) you are immediately going to sell or 2) the options are expiring. If you're going to exercise and hold, sell enough to cover your tax liability. See an accountant if the amounts are 'large' relative to your financial situation. If they are expiring and in the money and the company is private, talk to your HR department about selling enough shares back to the company to cover the tax liability. Seek professional advice if the amount is material for you.

Schwab has some good common-sense advice[1]

[0] https://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-tech-taxes-story.html

[1] https://www.schwab.com/resource-center/insights/content/unde...

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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post #19

Bought $10K of options before I quit. 20 years later the company has gone public and has a market cap of several billion. My options? "Extinguished" in some "event" 18 years ago. My guess is that's the event where they screwed as many employees as they could.

Which company?

Not OP, but I recall Zenga did something similar and completely screwed over their employees just before their IPO.

I've heard of many other instances as well so this must be a somewhat common tactic.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

#39
I've had options at 3 companies that all went through some event.

1 - Company acquired after I left. I paid 3k for my shares when I left, made 3k net. Not bad.

2 - Company was self-funded when I left, paid about 2k for shares. When they took external investment years later, I needed to sell my shares, net 6k.

3 - Company I was still working for was acquired. I'm acquihired at a better salary & benefits, plus retention bonus after a year. Exercised my options at 4k to net 55k.

I've had a run of good luck, and, in each case, the cost to exercise my options was one I could afford to lose if things turned. If it comes up again, I'll have to evaluate where I am at that time. Each event is unique, you have to judge your specific circumstances.

Re: Ask HN: Employees who exersised stock options: how did it go?

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Interesting comments so far, mostly showing how the options have not paid off. Not surprising really, when you consider the likelihood of so many startups reaching a high valuation, and of those that do not having dilution to make the early options much less valuable.

I've worked in a few startups. One got VC funding but then died in the 'recession' that followed. Another remained small, couldn't make useful sales, so got bought by a larger company in that market. The main founder came out of it with a well-paid job at new-co. The rest got some small amount of payback for the IP some time later. That did not make up for the salary sacrifice from working there. Still nice to think the product was done well enough and made sales, but that feeling doesn't pay the bills, or the mortgage. Next startup showed me how dilution works, and how trust is beaten up by greed. Still have some options in the company that bought the original, but those will only be enough for a few good holidays, not even a car purchase.

Despite the fact that these haven't resulted in big payouts for me, the experience was still good in many parts - creating new products and services, growing teams, and so on. What I would say is, don't take too much of a drop in salary for those benefits, assume the share options won't amount to much, and make the most of the startup environment.

Oh, and do make sure you continue to give yourself some personal time. What I do regret is the time given to those companies that should really have been for myself and my family. The balance I applied did not work out, for me. A shame, but you cannot be too sure at the time. Optimism is a good thing. Pragmatism and realism too.

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