Ask HN: What is your best native song that is unknown due to language barrier? • Hacker News Board

5cents wrote: post #28

A few Nordic contributions: Byssan lull: https://youtu.be/ogYC4LgqqnM A lullaby I think all Norwegian children have heard their beds, but it's actually Swedish Til ungdommen: https://youtu.be/CieUTG8Z6Z0 The song became very beloved after 22.07.2011 and I think close to everyone here will get tears in their eyes when they hear it Mitt hjerte alltid vanker: https://youtu.be/27JqZ8eEZlw Since it's Christmas soon. Very…

Hey could you help me track down this probably Norwegian folk like song? Most likely its a oneoff song by some band but many on that thread have been keft hanging for years...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAZcAhIAUto&t=0m36s

Re: Ask HN: What is your best native song that is unknown due to language barrier?

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Post by 5cents » Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 3:56 PM UTC

lowkeynthorough wrote: post #34

5cents wrote: post #28

A few Nordic contributions: Byssan lull: https://youtu.be/ogYC4LgqqnM A lullaby I think all Norwegian children have heard their beds, but it's actually Swedish Til ungdommen: https://youtu.be/CieUTG8Z6Z0 The song became very beloved after 22.07.2011 and I think close to everyone here will get tears in their eyes when they hear it Mitt hjerte alltid vanker: https://youtu.be/27JqZ8eEZlw Since it's Christmas soon. Very…

Hey could you help me track down this probably Norwegian folk like song? Most likely its a oneoff song by some band but many on that thread have been keft hanging for years... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAZcAhIAUto&t=0m36s

Hi, sorry, I've really tried to track it down, but I don't recognise neither the melody nor the lyrics. I see that it is called "Draken flyger" by Henrik Wallgren in the end. He is Swedish I think, but the lyrics are probably written closer to Norse

Re: Ask HN: What is your best native song that is unknown due to language barrier?

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Post by galfarragem » Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 4:22 PM UTC

sgroppino wrote: post #22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X5LySoOiIA or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-6Li3CKflQ and the original one in (Brazilian) Portuguese https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RezuYwS0ngI

Old song that became so relevant and accurate recently, also from the brazilian Raul Seixas, "The day that the world stopped": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8zbYY41Vus

A bit of trivia: Paulo Coelho started his career composing songs to this guy.

Re: Ask HN: What is your best native song that is unknown due to language barrier?

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Post by Rivosa » Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 6:50 PM UTC

This is considered a classic in morocco:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA_xG7rTxiA

Also this remake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkjWq0Z5t3k

Re: Ask HN: What is your best native song that is unknown due to language barrier?

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Post by robotmay » Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 10:36 PM UTC

angrais wrote: post #21

robotmay wrote: post #15

I'm an English folk musician and it's perhaps surprising to many people, considering the prevalence of English and our modern music, that we as a country have lost a huge amount of our songs and music over the years. We have however re-entered a folk revival since the 70s and it has combined with the national pastime of peculiar hobbiests having documented a lot of really obscure things. But anyway, my partner sings…

Daft question: how do we know if the pronunciation is correct in the song your partner is singing? Given its in an older form of English and English is not well known for being spoken as you read it (like Latin).

Good question! I'm not super knowledgeable about it myself. I think anything from that far back is likely to be a reasonable amount of guesswork, but there are often some indicators as to how things are pronounced. A good one I've seen before is looking at rhymes; if it's likely that two words were intended to rhyme in a song/poem etc it can help indicate some pronunciation. I've seen this used for Shakespeare original pronunciation studies which is quite interesting.

From personal experience of trying to play old tunes (rather than songs), I definitely have to make my own interpretation of it based on my own experience. Sometimes you do come across some truly perplexing notation though, that really makes you wonder how it sounded originally. Some of the tunes in the Playford collection are super weird but as Playford was basically Top of the 17th Century Pops you have to assume it _did_ sound good however they used to play it :D

Re: Ask HN: What is your best native song that is unknown due to language barrier?

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Post by robotmay » Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 10:39 PM UTC

sgroppino wrote: post #23

robotmay wrote: post #15

I'm an English folk musician and it's perhaps surprising to many people, considering the prevalence of English and our modern music, that we as a country have lost a huge amount of our songs and music over the years. We have however re-entered a folk revival since the 70s and it has combined with the national pastime of peculiar hobbiests having documented a lot of really obscure things. But anyway, my partner sings…

Quebecois stuff... this one is great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyNYrmmdUd4 :)

Ooh thanks, haven't come across them before. I'm a big fan of Le Vent du Nord and Le Freres Brunet, but I really want to expand my album collection further. The one disappointing thing with the Quebecois folk scene is that they're so slow to digitise their albums and sell them on Bandcamp!

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Post by lowkeynthorough » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 4:45 AM UTC

5cents wrote: post #35

lowkeynthorough wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey could you help me track down this probably Norwegian folk like song? Most likely its a oneoff song by some band but many on that thread have been keft hanging for years... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAZcAhIAUto&t=0m36s

Hi, sorry, I've really tried to track it down, but I don't recognise neither the melody nor the lyrics. I see that it is called "Draken flyger" by Henrik Wallgren in the end. He is Swedish I think, but the lyrics are probably written closer to Norse

Thanks!! i have tried chasing that lead.. (found only childrens songs on youtube so I thought it might be based on a childrens song.. your posts above those were awesome but guess not the same style haha)

Also there was a deckhand on that ship called Henrik Wallgren[0], guess it could be the same person wonder how likely you think that is..

[0] https://youtu.be/VHeAlOcHeSI