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Re: Ask HN: Do you think 'normal' working will ever return?

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I think this is teaching a lot of people how much of work is BS. Now that a lot of the distractions and meetings are gone lots of people are realizing they really only work a couple hours a day and spend the rest dicking around or stuck in pointless meetings.

I second this !

Re: Ask HN: Do you think 'normal' working will ever return?

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Let's address the elephant in the room: Working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office. It's harder to debug things or pair program when needed, it's harder to grab someone's attention, it's easier to miscommunicate, and communication is a lot slower. You also don't get the same camaraderie as you would face to face, but the upside is that you also don't get distracted by attractive coworkers. However…

GitLab has always been remote and working well so far.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think 'normal' working will ever return?

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post #6

Let's address the elephant in the room: Working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office. It's harder to debug things or pair program when needed, it's harder to grab someone's attention, it's easier to miscommunicate, and communication is a lot slower. You also don't get the same camaraderie as you would face to face, but the upside is that you also don't get distracted by attractive coworkers. However…

“working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office” — Goes on to highlight the distractions of the office and all the efficiency/time gains of WFH.

I mean to say that offices are wonderful things when done right, but cities are broken.

A lot of great startups start out in garages, but frankly most of us can't afford a garage, and some even sleep in less space than that. If we could afford homes that have garages, that would likely beat working in some big city skyscraper.

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Let's address the elephant in the room: Working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office. It's harder to debug things or pair program when needed, it's harder to grab someone's attention, it's easier to miscommunicate, and communication is a lot slower. You also don't get the same camaraderie as you would face to face, but the upside is that you also don't get distracted by attractive coworkers. However…

I take direct issue with "good offices are wide open spaces," a statement that is strictly opinion in its most charitable interpretation, and actively goes against scientific research on productivity.

Are you saying that it's scientifically proven that good offices are cramped rooms and cubicles?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true, which is why I think there's a middle ground. A total 10-30 minutes daily commuting is nice and better than 0. I saw statistics once that said the average one way is 40 minutes, which is dangerous and tiring.

Is that the mean or median?

Appears to be mean: https://www.getkisi.com/work-life-balance

Re: Ask HN: Do you think 'normal' working will ever return?

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post #6

Let's address the elephant in the room: Working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office. It's harder to debug things or pair program when needed, it's harder to grab someone's attention, it's easier to miscommunicate, and communication is a lot slower. You also don't get the same camaraderie as you would face to face, but the upside is that you also don't get distracted by attractive coworkers. However…

> Working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office. It's harder to debug things or pair program when needed, it's harder to grab someone's attention, it's easier to miscommunicate, and communication is a lot slower. You also don't get the same camaraderie as you would face to face, but the upside is that you also don't get distracted by attractive coworkers. YMMV. Your home can be your ideal office, and…

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> Traffic and commuting is one of the worst little things of daily life. It's dangerous. It ruins the environment. Parking sucks. I agree, but commuting has significant mental-health benefits. It provides a clear mental separation between "work" and "home". I and several of my coworkers have noticed that we never feel "off work" anymore. Work just bleeds into everything because there isn't that 30 minute period (enfo…

You can just... Make one. You can just make the division. You can turn off the work computer and walk away at five.

That's just what my wife has started doing. It's an easy division when you stop looking at emails after 5.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think 'normal' working will ever return?

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post #34
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take direct issue with "good offices are wide open spaces," a statement that is strictly opinion in its most charitable interpretation, and actively goes against scientific research on productivity.

Are you saying that it's scientifically proven that good offices are cramped rooms and cubicles?

A few seconds of googling yield, among other nuggets of wisdom:

January 2019: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/325959

January 2019: https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/01/jobs-workplace-priv...

February 2019: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/327142

November 2019: https://hbr.org/2019/11/the-truth-about-open-offices

August 2020: https://www.businessinsider.com/open-offices-over-due-to-cor...

Re: Ask HN: Do you think 'normal' working will ever return?

#39
post #6

Let's address the elephant in the room: Working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office. It's harder to debug things or pair program when needed, it's harder to grab someone's attention, it's easier to miscommunicate, and communication is a lot slower. You also don't get the same camaraderie as you would face to face, but the upside is that you also don't get distracted by attractive coworkers. However…

> Traffic and commuting is one of the worst little things of daily life. It's dangerous. It ruins the environment. Parking sucks. I agree, but commuting has significant mental-health benefits. It provides a clear mental separation between "work" and "home". I and several of my coworkers have noticed that we never feel "off work" anymore. Work just bleeds into everything because there isn't that 30 minute period (enfo…

> commuting has significant mental-health benefits

This seems like a stretch for anyone who has ever dealt with rush-hour traffic in a major city.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think 'normal' working will ever return?

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post #38
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that it's scientifically proven that good offices are cramped rooms and cubicles?

A few seconds of googling yield, among other nuggets of wisdom: January 2019: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/325959 January 2019: https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/01/jobs-workplace-priv... February 2019: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/327142 November 2019: https://hbr.org/2019/11/the-truth-about-open-offices August 2020: https://www.businessinsider.com/open-offices-over-due-to-cor...

I don't mean open offices. They're even more crowded than cubicles. I mean the classic ones where you have walls, a door, your own desk, a few feet from your desk to your door, a bunch of bookshelves, a few monitors, a window, and nobody enters your office unless it's important.
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