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Re: Ask HN: Is “No Code” the future of web/app dev?

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Post by verdverm »

duxup wrote: post #30
verdverm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wait until AR like the Hololens 2 comes out, all of UX and design changes. Some examples are 3d fonts and signage, interfaces without windows (widgets just float wherever), whole new deaths of UI elements and building blocks. Oh, and the mouse is gone in favor of hand tracking and the most amazing digital interaction I have ever experienced. One week in and my mind is still blown by the possibilities.

AR has been oh so close for decades ;) Granted ... SSDs finally came to PCs too, eventually ;)

HL2 feels like it's here, it's so light and comfortable, and the experience is not something words can do justice for

Re: Ask HN: Is “No Code” the future of web/app dev?

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Post by ksaj »

totetsu wrote: post #19
gitgud wrote: post #3

No-code means programming without text , it doesn't remove complexity, only abstracts it away, covering it with some visual programming GUI. Here's some problems that I can think of with visual programming: - Version control: Not only the logic of the system, but the shape of the visual representation needs to be tracked... along with a lot of other metadata. - Debugging: Visual programs need yet another step of comp…

> Version control The other day I tried to reverse engineer a lego mindstorm program from a pan across it in a youtube video(stitching together screenshot frames with Hugin panorama editor), only to find that that visual language was dependent of a silverlight app, and OSX had deprecated it, so I could only use scratch to re-create the logic. Then the scratch editor crashed and corrupted my project file, which when o…

That sounds like a workflow issue. Instead of arbitrarily renaming files, which is what we used to do back in the 90's, 80's and probably before, you could have used something like git to take care of backups and version control.

Of course it doesn't feel like the future when you are maintaining your code with something other than modern practices.

Re: Ask HN: Is “No Code” the future of web/app dev?

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Post by ksaj »

kasey_junk wrote: post #2

Excel is likely the most used IDE of all time. We’ve been living in the no code business application future for 40 years. I can stand up a cluster of web servers that automatically scale to effectively infinite demand with a few clicks on the internet. I can design a front end without paying attention to code and have been able to for 20 years. No code is like AI. The goal posts keep moving. So you need to be more sp…

I used to use a spreadsheet in all my forensic reports. The ability to instantly sort between timeline and specific subjects or groups of subjects was extremely useful. Even during an investigations, you could coax out some connections and relevant details you might not notice in any other way.

Since I don't really do any math or accounting, I suppose spreadsheets are a type of flat-file database.

Re: Ask HN: Is “No Code” the future of web/app dev?

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Post by tmaly »

totetsu wrote: post #19
gitgud wrote: post #3

No-code means programming without text , it doesn't remove complexity, only abstracts it away, covering it with some visual programming GUI. Here's some problems that I can think of with visual programming: - Version control: Not only the logic of the system, but the shape of the visual representation needs to be tracked... along with a lot of other metadata. - Debugging: Visual programs need yet another step of comp…

> Version control The other day I tried to reverse engineer a lego mindstorm program from a pan across it in a youtube video(stitching together screenshot frames with Hugin panorama editor), only to find that that visual language was dependent of a silverlight app, and OSX had deprecated it, so I could only use scratch to re-create the logic. Then the scratch editor crashed and corrupted my project file, which when o…

What version of Scratch are you using?

Re: Ask HN: Is “No Code” the future of web/app dev?

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Post by woah »

gitgud wrote: post #3

No-code means programming without text , it doesn't remove complexity, only abstracts it away, covering it with some visual programming GUI. Here's some problems that I can think of with visual programming: - Version control: Not only the logic of the system, but the shape of the visual representation needs to be tracked... along with a lot of other metadata. - Debugging: Visual programs need yet another step of comp…

This is a comment about graphical programming interfaces, not no-code. No-code also encompasses tools such as Airtable, which can be used to make a great number of different serviceable crud applications without anything resembling programming.

Re: Ask HN: Is “No Code” the future of web/app dev?

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Post by woah »

verdverm wrote: post #31
duxup wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AR has been oh so close for decades ;) Granted ... SSDs finally came to PCs too, eventually ;)

HL2 feels like it's here, it's so light and comfortable, and the experience is not something words can do justice for

How is the field of view?

Re: Ask HN: Is “No Code” the future of web/app dev?

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Post by totetsu »

tmaly wrote: post #34
totetsu wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Version control The other day I tried to reverse engineer a lego mindstorm program from a pan across it in a youtube video(stitching together screenshot frames with Hugin panorama editor), only to find that that visual language was dependent of a silverlight app, and OSX had deprecated it, so I could only use scratch to re-create the logic. Then the scratch editor crashed and corrupted my project file, which when o…

What version of Scratch are you using?

I was using the lego mindstorm classroom program that has scratch built in, so I'm not sure of the exact details. It autosaved the project on every change, and didn't even tell me where it was keeping the files. The first time I was using it, it suddenly told me it couldn't open my project. So I found the save folder and just duplicated my recreated project as I went along. Not an ideal workflow, but fine for a few hours project.

Re: Ask HN: Is “No Code” the future of web/app dev?

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Post by tmaly »

totetsu wrote: post #38
tmaly wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What version of Scratch are you using?

I was using the lego mindstorm classroom program that has scratch built in, so I'm not sure of the exact details. It autosaved the project on every change, and didn't even tell me where it was keeping the files. The first time I was using it, it suddenly told me it couldn't open my project. So I found the save folder and just duplicated my recreated project as I went along. Not an ideal workflow, but fine for a few h…

The new Scratch 3 works right in the browser. There is a Lego Mindstorm extension for it, you just have to install this program called Scratch link to bridge the web to the hardware.
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