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Re: Ask HN: Will this be the end of Airbnb?

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It depends on what you think the best use of housing is. Is housing meant to "make money for the owner" or "provide housing for people?" There, I've just taken class out of the equation. Your answer?

Best use of housing is whatever the owner think its best for. There is no single answer.

The best use of housing is what the government defines, in accordance with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (specifically, article 25) for all United Nations members.

Re: Ask HN: Will this be the end of Airbnb?

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One thing I think we'll definitely see is a reduction in the amount of apartments available for rent on AirBnB. I've seen reports that after lockdowns went into place in Portland OR and SF, that there were thousands of new units listed on proper real-estate websites for long-term lease. That tells me that landlords who were taking units off the housing market and using them for short-term rentals, might have fewer AirBnB units after this is all done. For a while at least I think AirBnB will be more of the "rent a spare room in our house" units again, rather than the entire apartment in a major city that's displacing a long-term resident.

Re: Ask HN: Will this be the end of Airbnb?

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I agree, AirBnB is an unsustainable business and I would also like to see it regulated out of existence. It is extremely classist. Only something that middle class or higher can use while reducing housing availability which primarily impacts lower classes.

If you think it needs to be "regulated out of existence", it sounds like you think it actually is sustainable; you just don't like it. > It is extremely classist. Only something that middle class or higher can use So you think any business which isn't affordable to everyone should be shut down?

If I build a factory that dumps toxic sludge into the water supply, that’s not sustainable and yet it might be quite profitable in the absence of regulation.

Re: Ask HN: Will this be the end of Airbnb?

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I live in touristy city, and I wish nothing more than to see Airbnb crash and die. Finding rent here is mission impossible, most landlords will happily rent to you for a contract that ends at the start of the summer, then you have to figure out where to live for 3 months. Housing prices are impossibly expensive compared to local salaries, and landlords would rather keep a place empty for an occasional airbnb than hav…

I agree, AirBnB is an unsustainable business and I would also like to see it regulated out of existence. It is extremely classist. Only something that middle class or higher can use while reducing housing availability which primarily impacts lower classes.

How is it something only classists can use? I use Airbnb _because_ it is cheap, usually significantly cheaper than hotels when visiting cities. I use it to save money because I am cost conscious. A lot of lower-income friends also use Airbnb because of this very reason. It has been a lifesaver for us.

Re: Ask HN: Will this be the end of Airbnb?

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I live in touristy city, and I wish nothing more than to see Airbnb crash and die. Finding rent here is mission impossible, most landlords will happily rent to you for a contract that ends at the start of the summer, then you have to figure out where to live for 3 months. Housing prices are impossibly expensive compared to local salaries, and landlords would rather keep a place empty for an occasional airbnb than hav…

> than have a full-time tenant (that has a lot of legal protection regarding eviction) This sounds like a pretty convincing argument against laws that are extremely lopsided in favor of tenants. If you make renting out property an extremely high-risk proposition, of course property owners are going to prefer something less risky.

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Re: Ask HN: Will this be the end of Airbnb?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, AirBnB is an unsustainable business and I would also like to see it regulated out of existence. It is extremely classist. Only something that middle class or higher can use while reducing housing availability which primarily impacts lower classes.

Housing availability for lower class individuals is not impacted because low class housing generally isn’t rented out on AirBnB.

Sure it is, the market pressure redefines, what is low-class housing. Local middle-class unable to compete with international tourists splurging for a couple of days have to go for formerly low-class housing.

Re: Ask HN: Will this be the end of Airbnb?

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Many countries already require you to provide an address when entering (for visa-free visits) or when applying for a visa. This is not a new phenomenon. We will probably see a cursory medical test at borders. This will become more complex over time as the technology develops. Cities (and tax-paying hosts) make a ton of tax revenue from AirBnb, much of which wouldn’t otherwise exist. I don’t expect any total shutdowns…

> Cities (and tax-paying hosts) make a ton of tax revenue from AirBnb

Aha, sure. They pay next to nothing in tax in Europe. Some individuals pay more tax than airbnb while making 10 times less money.

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Re: Ask HN: Will this be the end of Airbnb?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, AirBnB is an unsustainable business and I would also like to see it regulated out of existence. It is extremely classist. Only something that middle class or higher can use while reducing housing availability which primarily impacts lower classes.

How is it something only classists can use? I use Airbnb _because_ it is cheap, usually significantly cheaper than hotels when visiting cities. I use it to save money because I am cost conscious. A lot of lower-income friends also use Airbnb because of this very reason. It has been a lifesaver for us.

Because it removes the place from the rental market. We're not talking about people holidaying; this is about having access to a roof over your head in your daily life.

Re: Ask HN: Will this be the end of Airbnb?

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Many countries already require you to provide an address when entering (for visa-free visits) or when applying for a visa. This is not a new phenomenon. We will probably see a cursory medical test at borders. This will become more complex over time as the technology develops. Cities (and tax-paying hosts) make a ton of tax revenue from AirBnb, much of which wouldn’t otherwise exist. I don’t expect any total shutdowns…

A cursory medical test at the border? I’d vote against that.

Re: Ask HN: Will this be the end of Airbnb?

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Best use of housing is whatever the owner think its best for. There is no single answer.

The best use of housing is what the government defines, in accordance with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (specifically, article 25) for all United Nations members.

Disagree, government interest is not be universal.
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