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Re: Ask HN: NYC with autoimmune disease, what should I do?

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Post by marklacey »

avgDev wrote: post #16

Isolate if you can. If you receive packages let them sit somewhere for 2 days before opening and handling them, or open and clean the box inside and clean your hands right away. If you do go out wear rubber gloves and a mask. Never touch your face when out. Thankfully you got a job that allows WFH and you should be able to ride this out.

> If you receive packages let them sit somewhere for 2 days before opening

I am curious if you have a source for the two day number.

I have seen various reports ranging from 12-24 hours for how long this particular virus can last on surfaces like cardboard. The longest estimate I have seen for any surface is 72 hours for stainless steel under lab conditions (i.e. not real-world conditions).

So presumably if it takes 2-3 days for a package to arrive, the contents should be okay if you wait another day or so for the exterior surface to become safe.

Re: Ask HN: NYC with autoimmune disease, what should I do?

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Post by marklacey »

TheDesolate0 wrote: post #29

Stay put. That's your best choice. Your home / apt is the environment over which you have the most control. Order a bunch of water and TP and delicious snacks from amazon and twitch your heart out. When you have to come into contact with people, wear gloves, a mask (you can make it yourself, and sterilize it too), and eye protection (safety glasses). We call it MEGG, but you probably won't need the gown. Here is how…

> Order a bunch of water and TP

The TP makes sense. I don't understand why you're suggesting to order water, though.

Can you elaborate?

I haven't seen any recommendations that tap water would be unsafe.

If you're in an earthquake prone zone like SF or LA of course having water at home is a very good idea any time of the year.

Re: Ask HN: NYC with autoimmune disease, what should I do?

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Post by pacman83 »

Ron Hunninghake, MD, suggests these vitamins and minerals: https://riordanclinic.org/2020/03/covid-19/

Robert Cathcart, MD, prescribed vitamin C, orally to bowel tolerance, for all viral illnesses, including common cold, which is a coronavirus: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n14.shtml

Robert Rowen, MD, suggests IV ozone for coronavirus and explains why: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=78032311573342346...

A prolific teacher of IV ozone is in NYC, has trained many nearby, and may share a list of doctors he's trained: https://www.ozonedoctor.net/

Dr. Rowen is interviewed by Dave Asprey here: https://blog.daveasprey.com/robert-rowen-352/

An MD-PhD neurologist at Mayo Clinic recommended Rowen to me, said she'd sent patients to him.

I got turned onto the alternative doctors, who got me back to work, after conventional medicine failed me for years. Turns out regulatory capture isn't in the public interest after all. Who knew?

See also the doctors interviewed in https://thatvitaminmovie.com/

Re: Ask HN: NYC with autoimmune disease, what should I do?

#34

Post by pacman83 »

marklacey wrote: post #31
avgDev wrote: post #16

Isolate if you can. If you receive packages let them sit somewhere for 2 days before opening and handling them, or open and clean the box inside and clean your hands right away. If you do go out wear rubber gloves and a mask. Never touch your face when out. Thankfully you got a job that allows WFH and you should be able to ride this out.

> If you receive packages let them sit somewhere for 2 days before opening I am curious if you have a source for the two day number. I have seen various reports ranging from 12-24 hours for how long this particular virus can last on surfaces like cardboard. The longest estimate I have seen for any surface is 72 hours for stainless steel under lab conditions (i.e. not real-world conditions). So presumably if it takes…

Bleach and peroxide, among other disinfectants, do kill the virus. One could clean the outside of the box before opening it.

Not sure why parent is subtracting the transit time: Who delivered the package? Were they infected? Exactly.

Re: Ask HN: NYC with autoimmune disease, what should I do?

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Post by pacman83 »

BayezLyfe wrote: post #28
brudgers wrote: post #2

Have you talked with your doctor?

Yes... He says equal risk of covid here or Chicago (where'd I go stay with family), NYC definitely has more resources, and it's moving west.

In and near NYC are Robins, the US pioneer of IV ozone therapy ( https://www.ozonedoctor.net/ ) and presumably many doctors Robins has trained.

Of course nothing is known yet to be effective against SARS-CoV-2, but, see paper on IV ozone by Robins and Robert Rowen, MD: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=78032311573342346...

I got turned onto the alternative doctors, who got me back to work, after conventional medicine failed me for years. Turns out regulatory capture isn't in the public interest after all. Who knew?

Anyway, if there is any upside of being in NYC right now, it may be access to broader variety of treatment options.

Re: Ask HN: NYC with autoimmune disease, what should I do?

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Post by marklacey »

pacman83 wrote: post #34
marklacey wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you receive packages let them sit somewhere for 2 days before opening I am curious if you have a source for the two day number. I have seen various reports ranging from 12-24 hours for how long this particular virus can last on surfaces like cardboard. The longest estimate I have seen for any surface is 72 hours for stainless steel under lab conditions (i.e. not real-world conditions). So presumably if it takes…

Bleach and peroxide, among other disinfectants, do kill the virus. One could clean the outside of the box before opening it. Not sure why parent is subtracting the transit time: Who delivered the package? Were they infected? Exactly.

Assuming you’re referring to my comment:

> wait another day or so for the exterior surface to become safe.

Unless you think that for some reason the exterior of the box is going to have live virus for more than what’s been reported, this seems reasonable.

Re: Ask HN: NYC with autoimmune disease, what should I do?

#37

Post by brudgers »

BayezLyfe wrote: post #28
brudgers wrote: post #2

Have you talked with your doctor?

Yes... He says equal risk of covid here or Chicago (where'd I go stay with family), NYC definitely has more resources, and it's moving west.

As a random person on the internet, going from one metro to another seems counterproductive.

Re: Ask HN: NYC with autoimmune disease, what should I do?

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Post by impendia »

marklacey wrote: post #31
avgDev wrote: post #16

Isolate if you can. If you receive packages let them sit somewhere for 2 days before opening and handling them, or open and clean the box inside and clean your hands right away. If you do go out wear rubber gloves and a mask. Never touch your face when out. Thankfully you got a job that allows WFH and you should be able to ride this out.

> If you receive packages let them sit somewhere for 2 days before opening I am curious if you have a source for the two day number. I have seen various reports ranging from 12-24 hours for how long this particular virus can last on surfaces like cardboard. The longest estimate I have seen for any surface is 72 hours for stainless steel under lab conditions (i.e. not real-world conditions). So presumably if it takes…

I think I read somewhere that the virus has a half-life of roughly 6-7 hours on cardboard. I've also read "24 hours" as a guideline for how long the virus can last. Apparently it depends on conditions such as temperature, sunlight, and humidity. (In particular, direct sunlight and warm weather apparently cause the virus to die faster.)

Although I'm not an epidemiologist, I suspect that your probability of catching the disease from a package decays roughly exponentially with time.

Personally, and as someone not immunocompromised, I've been setting my packages aside (in my apartment) and washing my hands thoroughly afterwards. In cases where I'm particularly eager to get the contents, I'll open them after a day and not worry too much. Otherwise, I'll let them sit for two or three days.

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