Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: How is actually Italy confirming SARS-Cov2 cases?

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–35 of 35 posts

Re: Ask HN: How is actually Italy confirming SARS-Cov2 cases?

#31

Post by lurquer »

scusely wrote: post #6
lurquer wrote: post #2

The answer is obvious and not fairly deniable. But, one isn't permitted to voice it.

What is it? I have no idea.

The medical system in Italy sucks. The northern region sees a scandalously high number of elderly die every day in the winter. Upwards of 200 a day. The issue is political.

Covid is a convenient cover for the scandal. If you die in Lombardy -- for any reason -- you are listed as a covid patient. It's fraud.

Plain and simple.

(Incidentally, its not all of Italy... just the northern region.)

The number of tests is equally bullshit. As another poster in this thread alluded to -- and I think there is a link up there -- the number is an 'estimate'.

Re: Ask HN: How is actually Italy confirming SARS-Cov2 cases?

#32

Post by denulu »

lurquer wrote: post #31
scusely wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it? I have no idea.

The medical system in Italy sucks. The northern region sees a scandalously high number of elderly die every day in the winter. Upwards of 200 a day. The issue is political. Covid is a convenient cover for the scandal. If you die in Lombardy -- for any reason -- you are listed as a covid patient. It's fraud. Plain and simple. (Incidentally, its not all of Italy... just the northern region.) The number of tests is equa…

Normally it's 250 deaths > 65 years per week, which would make it 36 per day

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/influenza/FluNews18-19#mortalit...

Re: Ask HN: How is actually Italy confirming SARS-Cov2 cases?

#33

Post by yash1th »

dx034 wrote: post #23

I'm not sure about the testing regime they use but they publish the number of people tested on a daily basis. The data is available on wikipedia [1], currently they stand at ~233,000. As an orientation, Germany doesn't publish aggregated numbers but federal organizations said in an interview that at the moment, ~100-150k tests per week are performed, so the positive rate there should be [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w…

They also publish it on github [1]

[1] https://github.com/pcm-dpc/COVID-19/blob/master/dati-andamen...

Re: Ask HN: How is actually Italy confirming SARS-Cov2 cases?

#34

Post by lurquer »

denulu wrote: post #32
lurquer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The medical system in Italy sucks. The northern region sees a scandalously high number of elderly die every day in the winter. Upwards of 200 a day. The issue is political. Covid is a convenient cover for the scandal. If you die in Lombardy -- for any reason -- you are listed as a covid patient. It's fraud. Plain and simple. (Incidentally, its not all of Italy... just the northern region.) The number of tests is equa…

Normally it's 250 deaths > 65 years per week, which would make it 36 per day https://www.epicentro.iss.it/influenza/FluNews18-19#mortalit...

From the source, translated:

"During the sixteenth week of 2019 mortality was lower than expected, with a daily average of 190 deaths compared to the expected 200."

Read Italian news from the past few years regarding then northern region; the numbers of geriatric deaths -- far in excess of other EU members -- has been a long-running scandal.

More data here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S120197121...

I trust you've read the recent Telegraph article revealing that only 12% of reported Italian covid deaths could be directly attributed to covid.

But, I'm not that concerned about persuading you. If you wish to believe there is something unique about northern Italy -- while 100 miles to the south, east, west, and north the mortality rates are utterly different, so be it.

Re: Ask HN: How is actually Italy confirming SARS-Cov2 cases?

#35

Post by ecesena »

As of today they did 275,468 tests: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xAyDSpzEp3n4iiu54_XL...

This is a post (sorry, in Italian) that describes the "strategy" adopted to test people, that of course varies by region. tl;dr: in regions like Lombardia (the most affected) they can almost only test people who really show severe signs, therefore the rate is around 38%.

https://www.ilpost.it/2020/03/20/tampone-test-coronavirus/

Official data is here: https://github.com/pcm-dpc/COVID-19, I just put it in a spreadsheet for easier consumption.

Edit: forgot a link

Post reply on HN