Quit and name the company. Why not?
Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.
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Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
(While I think this is hilarious) I would advise against this as, by doing it intentionally, you may be breaking the law (hard to know for sure as laws differ between EU countries).
A law against spreading illness if you're actually sick seems reasonable, but against coughing to feign illness?
Problem is, if he is asymptomatic, he may be spreading it anyways, and may have criminal charges thrown at him (happened already in many places)
Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't panic, but yeah, you've been exposed if you're still in an office at this point.
It was not a rumor, it was a very specific and detailed account that resulted in employee quarantines. The chain of influences is big enough and reaches into national government, with a confluence of interests. I'm afraid a leak to the press could be more effective than a report to the government. I believe t will eventually come up because these things are difficult to hide as time goes by.
Careers can be remade. You could go public and then run for political office. Don't be a slave to your employer's selfishness.
Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.
#34Lose your love for 50 euros and call a lawyer. Alternatively, contact your work or health regulator, and document the case to them the best you can. Documentation and evidence is now power for you.
Are lawyers in Porto really that affordable? That is enticing. I'd love to talk this through just to have a non-actionable idea about the legality of this situation.
FFS you are in Porto Portugal? Are you watching the news? You can decide to work from home. First google result:
https://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/economia/emprego/detalhe/tra...
And second, please name the fucking company as for people to do the same and avoid it as much as possible.
Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.
#35You need to left the company immediately, report the situation to the police and self-isolate yourself when waiting for the next step from the police. Job is not important anymore at this time.
This is not a video-game where you can restart everything when you died, this is real. You, all of us, only have one life to live.
Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.
#36If you think they lie or they're just not trustworthy you must play the game they started to play and lie too. Don't be a fool.
Start looking for a job asap, don't go in, play out your cards. You can say the things you want. You can say you are sick, you can say you are horrified, but you must start playing the game.
For naive people with good moral in general it's hard. You are not your environment. If you feel they are not doing the right thing accept for yourself that you can't too. If a persen attacks you on street and threatens your life and you can't escape, sometimes you must fight back. That's really sad, but true.
Be smart. Do your best. Don't be a fool.
Many similar posts/problems will come in next weeks/months.
Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.
#37Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?
whats the bet that the executive has a "chicken pox party" mentality.... Deciding to get it out of the way in the sphere of their control and making that decision for the workers on their behalf.
I would not be surprised.
Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.
#38Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?
This reminds me of a time I worked in an office with a roach problem and management refused to do anything about it - until a dead roach ended up on a executive’s desk.
Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.
#39I finally got my user off the shadow ban. It is a throw-away account. Thank you Daniel! I realize this is a low-signal post, but I'm still here, unable to sleep, feeling utterly disrespected as a cysec professional. A few days ago I was a valued member of the team, now upper management is using fear and intimidation to keep a semblance of normality for as long as possible: You want to go home? We won't have you back.…
You are learning an important lesson the hard way.
Never be loyal to a corporation. Corporations are not loyal to you (or other employees) in spite of how it may seem sometimes. How could they be loyal? They are not human.
I first heard this from a CTO at my first dev job when he was encouraging me to come along with an upcoming merger. I said something like "well I want to be loyal to company..." he immediately cut me off and said "never be loyal to a company -- a company will not be loyal to you." (paraphrasing)
Since then, I have witnessed his assertion come true many times.
Save your loyalty for people. We would like to think that the bonds made with teammates will be shared by the company, they won't.
Re: Ask HN: Help. Covid case at work; remote work is being denied. EU region.
#40Start coughing up the hierarchy. Once you cough on someone high enough I suspect the situation will solve itself. edit: Turning this approach 180 degrees, have the employees ask the people with power to change the policy what do they think the legal liability is in the case any of the employees or any of their family members dies?
(While I think this is hilarious) I would advise against this as, by doing it intentionally, you may be breaking the law (hard to know for sure as laws differ between EU countries).
I too love this kind of humor. Don't worry, I'm not one to break reasonable laws, much less try to harm people. :)