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Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

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post #28

read or listen to the audio of Extreme Ownership. It will reframe your perspective on failure.

So, I've listened to that and I'm not sure what lesson that OP should take from it to apply to the situation at hand. It seems to me that OP is taking ownership of mistakes, but doesn't know where to go in preventing them.

Re: Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

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30+ years experience here. If you are any good, you will be working at the edge of your competence all the time. Sure you will have some processes in place but the real work is going to be new - full of ways to screw up. I thought "Someday I'll be good at this development stuff." Thing is, you won't really. Accept it! Drop any pretense of ego. You can't be hurt if there is no "target". Do your research of course and…

Except in quite a few workplaces never making mistakes is all, even more important than creating value, especially in industries that don't have to worry about making money.

Re: Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

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post #3

Ask your manager what they think of your performance, where you could grow, how you're doing compared to what they expected. You'll likely be pleasantly surprised. Just like people with general insecurities frequently underestimate their likable attributes, it seems you're doing the same, but with your level of competence.

That's provided your manager is available for anything save criticism when things go wrong. Generally in my experience, personal growth is the sole responsibility of the employee. The manager is purely an executioner to find and fire the bottom 5-10 percent of people, depending on how the company's doing.

Re: Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

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> If I make a mistake at work and people are aware of it I am afraid that it reflects negatively on me more than the good things I do reflect positively.

This happens all the time. Though making mistakes are parts of getting experience.

> That fear of making mistakes makes it difficult to appreciate constructive criticism. I do appreciate it on an intellectual level but on an emotional level I feel more fear than appreciation. That the risk is that making any mistake could cost me my livelihood

Past experiences might drive you to feel this. Take a step back. See things objectively. Stop being paranoid.

I felt this way months ago. Then I looked around, things will be more fragile if I'm not there to support it, therefore I'm important.

I continued moving, making calculated mistakes, so are those who work with me. I progress, perfect myself, and so can you.

Re: Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

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30+ years experience here. If you are any good, you will be working at the edge of your competence all the time. Sure you will have some processes in place but the real work is going to be new - full of ways to screw up. I thought "Someday I'll be good at this development stuff." Thing is, you won't really. Accept it! Drop any pretense of ego. You can't be hurt if there is no "target". Do your research of course and…

Except in quite a few workplaces never making mistakes is all, even more important than creating value, especially in industries that don't have to worry about making money.

Could you clarify a little? Not being critical, just wondering are you talking medical or ?

thanks!

Re: Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

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post #24

Aha, fear of mistake. Fear of others thinking I'm not good enough. Fear of loosing my job/status/life. Fear rules life. Not even just humans but all animals and living creatures. You are not alone. It rules my life too. Now what is this fear? Why should I have it? Can I have no fear? Trying to eliminate one fear is not enough, soon you'll be filled with another. In fact, fear fears itself. I think fear is what condit…

The more and more I progress in my personal philosophy, I see just completely dissolving the idea of this fear as essential to a live well lived.

It's crazy though, because sometimes I have streaks of over a week in a "fearless" mindset and then I can regress overnight and have a week living in fear. I wonder if it's physiological or something else? The same arguments that seemed so clear are now opaque and make no sense in the "fear mode".

Re: Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

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post #24

Aha, fear of mistake. Fear of others thinking I'm not good enough. Fear of loosing my job/status/life. Fear rules life. Not even just humans but all animals and living creatures. You are not alone. It rules my life too. Now what is this fear? Why should I have it? Can I have no fear? Trying to eliminate one fear is not enough, soon you'll be filled with another. In fact, fear fears itself. I think fear is what condit…

The more and more I progress in my personal philosophy, I see just completely dissolving the idea of this fear as essential to a live well lived. It's crazy though, because sometimes I have streaks of over a week in a "fearless" mindset and then I can regress overnight and have a week living in fear. I wonder if it's physiological or something else? The same arguments that seemed so clear are now opaque and make no s…

Fear seems to be a complex autonomically mediated phenomenon elicited by both instinctually determined and learned responses to some stimuli. It’s adaptive and critical to the survival of any organism. No one can completely eliminate fear from their biological repertoire anymore than they can stop recoiling from a loud noise. At best, all that can be done is tame the behavioral response to a probable stimulus. This review offers some definitions which may be useful: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(12)...

Re: Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

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Here is a secret: people are self-absorbed creatures that cannot pay attention to somebody else for more than a couple of minutes. There is a non-zero probability that you are the only one that cares deeply about this - and the reason you care deeply is that you want to be better at your job. Nobody gets fired over the mistakes they make unless (1) they make the same mistake over and over again (2) they have an attit…

This is very insightful.

To solve problem (1), companies put process in place to capture patterns of the mistakes and prevent it for happening in future.

(2) is totally based on individual personality. (2) is an indicator of person having an ego and any amount of process cannot help.

Re: Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

#39

The most dangerous person in the world is someone who never makes a mistake - because you know they are somewhere, you just have no idea where. Making mistakes isn't the problem. hiding them, or not being open to the possibility you are making them is far, far worse. Someone who makes a mistake, catches it and fixes it - expert. Should be kept at all costs unless making the same mistakes over and over. Someone who ma…

Agreed. In my previous job I was one of the most trustworthy support engineers not just because I was knowledgeable and competent, but because I was totally honest about my mistakes, and owned them. And yes, mistakes being plural, you will make them, just accept it. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful, just know you're not perfect.

Integrity is important, and trust in some people had been eroded forever after some high profile outages were caused and made worse when they lied and covered up their mistakes. In one sad case, the covering up of a mistake had a human cost, as it affected the ambulance emergency service dispatch system. It was compounded by not being reported or fixed until more senior staff arrived in the morning.

Moral of the story: your ego is not the most important thing. Think of the consequences of your actions and inactions. Do the right thing, and be transparent about it. People will trust and respect you, and if your employer can't handle a couple of honest mistakes, you can find a better employer.

Re: Ask HN: How do you work with the fear of your own incompetence?

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Here is a secret: people are self-absorbed creatures that cannot pay attention to somebody else for more than a couple of minutes. There is a non-zero probability that you are the only one that cares deeply about this - and the reason you care deeply is that you want to be better at your job. Nobody gets fired over the mistakes they make unless (1) they make the same mistake over and over again (2) they have an attit…

This is very insightful. To solve problem (1), companies put process in place to capture patterns of the mistakes and prevent it for happening in future. (2) is totally based on individual personality. (2) is an indicator of person having an ego and any amount of process cannot help.

IMHO (1) is also an indication of maturity and discipline. To give an example: a place where I worked 20 years ago had a team of 40-ish people contributing to the same codebase in a monorepo (perforce anyone?). The build would happen every night or you could perform it yourself on your own machine. The same 2-3 people were responsible for 95% of the build breaks. When this happens no amount of process is going to save you.
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