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Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?

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Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?

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What about Xanadu? Internet is very broken but almost no one seems to care (for a reason). Idea of more p2p web is there for a while but at the end of the day user don't care to much about anything so it probably never happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu

Xanadu assumes good players. It will be decimated by the very first spammer / advertiser that appears...

It's a vision for an academic, small scale, network, not for a viable global web.

Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?

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post #12

Finding information has never been trivial and until you can read people's minds to see what they really mean when they search for 'cookies' when they really mean "how to clear my internet browsing history for the past hour" it will continue to be non-trivial. The work Google has done in the search space is damn near magical. Your question belittles the literal billions of dollars and millions of man hours that have…

> Your question belittles the literal billions of dollars and millions of man hours that have gone into making the current and previous implementations of Google's search engine

I don't think this question belittles Google's work.

I feel saying that would be like saying that animals that chose to live on the land were belittling millions of years of evolution in the water.

People working at Google chose to spends their time building a search engine for the world wide web, fine. That does not mean that sharing information accross a network has to be done via { world wide web, google }.

All of this is purely theroical of course, but I'm sure someone more creative than me would find another solution. Maybe not a solution that would exactly fit OP's description, maybe not a solution that would be practical with the current infrastructure.

But a solution that would render Google as-is obsolete ? Yes, I think that would be possible.

Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?

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post #11

I can't imagine how this is possible. Imagine I have a string of words (a quote from a book or an article, a fragment of an error message, etc), and I want to find the full text where it appears (or pages discussing it). How would you do that without a search engine?

I think OP's idea is that search services would be built into the Internet, and not provided by a third party. That is, when a website is published or updated, it is somehow instantly indexed and made available for search as a feature of the platform on which it was published.

Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?

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post #29
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You ask a question (possibly on Stack-Something) and don't get ridiculed for not using Google, since you live in a world where search engines don't exist.

And then 5 other users ask the same question because they have no search engine. I think this gets boring quick...

We could have website-centered search engines. You ask the question on whatsthatquote.com and find out if someone has already asked it. If yes, you have your answer, if not someone answers and no one is annoyed. Stack overflow does that. You don't get ridiculed for asking a quesiton on so that has already been asked on another website you don't know of.

I guess that would be the age of smaller communities centerd around a few websites only? Maybe, I don't know if we can consider google as enabling a real global community as of today. I pretty much browse around the same websites. Anything I want to find without a precise source of information in mind, I use google and stumble upon ads and ads and sometimes ads, but rarely an answer.

I sometimes still search stuff manually browsing through websites indexes. Some things are difficult to find with keywords. Equations of which the name you forgot. Movies with a plot so generic billions of result would be associated with it on a search engine. That piece of music of which you could write the notes on a sheet but don't remember the title.

Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?

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post #11

I can't imagine how this is possible. Imagine I have a string of words (a quote from a book or an article, a fragment of an error message, etc), and I want to find the full text where it appears (or pages discussing it). How would you do that without a search engine?

Have an ip addressing and redirecting system designed around a Tower of Babel lookup.

https://libraryofbabel.info/search.cgi

Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?

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post #11

I can't imagine how this is possible. Imagine I have a string of words (a quote from a book or an article, a fragment of an error message, etc), and I want to find the full text where it appears (or pages discussing it). How would you do that without a search engine?

I think OP's idea is that search services would be built into the Internet, and not provided by a third party. That is, when a website is published or updated, it is somehow instantly indexed and made available for search as a feature of the platform on which it was published.

But you still need a third party to rank the results. I don't just want any page about my error message, I want the best page.

Re: Ask HN: Can we create a new internet where search engines are irrelevant?

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post #14

The deeper problem is advertising. It is sort of a prisoner's dilemma: all commercial entities have a shouting contest to attract customer attention. It's expensive for everybody. If we could kill advertisement permanently, we can have an internet as described in the question. This will almost be like an emergent feature of the internet.

I wrote up a proposal on this, changing the economics to adapt to and account for post-scarce resources like information:

https://hackernoon.com/wealth-a-new-era-of-economics-ce8acd7...

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