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Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

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Re: Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

#31

My entire career has been startups. On average, your startup will be a failure. If you want to create one, then it should be for an idea that you really believe in and that has value. Because you're going to have bad days--lots of them--and want to quit. And if you don't believe in what you're building, then you will quit, and it'll all be for nothing. (Plus, if you believe in what you're building and it fails, you w…

This, pick something you really care about and would be willing to eat and breathe for a long, long time, because if you succeed at it, you're going to be doing it for a while. Don't aim for the Instagram style "exit for 1B in two years", if that's the goal the go to Vegas, it will save you a lot of time and tears.

If you don't, and if you're luckier than most, you might get stuck working on an idea or in an industry you really don't care about, just because you wanted to play startup and, like the poster above said, you read up on a bunch of success porn that's telling you that startups are the sexy, right thing for you.

Then you'll be stuck between a rock and a hard place, hating what you do for years, but not being able to leave because of all of the sunk cost, the shame of abandoning the team of people you've brought on board and convinced to chase a dream you don't really care about yourself, the reputation hit, the VCs who sunk all that cash into you, and the carrot of a potential, however tiny exit dangling in front of you. And the years keep adding up as you're chasing that carrot, still dreaming every day of getting out, but somehow that exit just never happens. If you're lucky/smart you'll find someone to replace you, but then they might kill the golden goose and you're still left with nothing, but at least you moved on, so that's a silver lining.

Fall in love with the problem and with the mission, that way, even if you fail or have a pretty rough time, at least you're working on something that truly matters to you. And "doing a startup" can't be the mission in itself, that's a recipe for disaster. It's one of those situations where even if you win, you still lose.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

#32
I like to be at a small corporation (we're about 70 people, 25 of which on the tech side). We work on things that I think are important, I have real influence in how everything is done, and it's still a normal job where I don't have to put in insane hours.

There isn't a binary choice between Big Tech and Startup.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

#33

Been at bigco, did a few startups, a couple paid out, most did not. As an option, I'ld explore a side-hustle first, see if you like doing that enough before going all-in. Your goal for side-hustle, 20k MRR or gross margin monthly (ecom). Choose a metric that's real. If you can't hit it on a part time basis, you probably won't make it on a full time basis (for venture style startups that is. If you're targeting lifest…

I've seen many many of my friends try the side hustle, and none succeed. Mostly they burn themselves out from working so many hours and then stuff gets tough, as it does, and they bail. I think a better approach is to make some savings and take a sabbatical to test out what it's really like. If your day job is cushy and unstressful then maybe that's a different story...

^ This, so true. Lot of people preaching the side hustle who either havent actually tried it OR have very lax jobs that allow for this kind of thing.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

#34

My entire career has been startups. On average, your startup will be a failure. If you want to create one, then it should be for an idea that you really believe in and that has value. Because you're going to have bad days--lots of them--and want to quit. And if you don't believe in what you're building, then you will quit, and it'll all be for nothing. (Plus, if you believe in what you're building and it fails, you w…

Second this. You might not even fail outright but rather realize you've worked every hour of every day for years for an average gain of a couple dollars an hour. You can do it if the environment is right for you to thrive (i.e. build something of great value) and you can tolerate the risks involved.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

#35

If your motivation is making multi-millions one day, you're better off buying a lottery ticket or staying at your FAANG-equivalent job. I left my large company job 7 years ago to found my own company with a friend. We initially tried our hand at a saas product then figured out we were too green at the business side of things to make it work (read we had no idea how to sell) so moved on to web-dev consulting. Consulti…

I'm in a similar situation. How are you holding up?

Re: Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

#36
Big tech giants also have ton of interesting work to be done, yes the pace may be slower than what it would be at a startup or if you just go on a sabbatical. On the flip side, big tech can give you the resources you need to succeed.

Why don't you find an intersection between your idea or the reason you leave the big tech and the big tech itself? Then work it out with your manager to transition to that. It may take time but how different it would be from working on your idea, pitching it etc?

Why not opt for work of your choice in a big tech giant? Win-Win and even to win at startup lottery, eventually you need to reach the win-win stage!

Re: Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

#37
I did this and my advice would be “it depends”. It’s been a mixed bag. Financially I’m much worse off than I would have been staying at my 300k job (who knows what it would have grown to now?). I will say the stress of not knowing what you are doing and questioning yourself can be immense. That being said perhaps I’m not the best example as I took years off living a hedonistic lifestyle and truly adopted the YOLO mentality. I consulted here and there. It was fun but ultimately draining.

The corporate coding lifestyle can be without a doubt an existential mind fuck. It partially depends on your mindset and job responsibilities though. If you care about the purpose of your product, you aren’t some product managers code monkey, and you are making money that isn’t the worst thing.

That being said... FOR ME I have learned that the concept of retirement is a joke. It’s not all that great and at least for me people feel better having a meaningful purpose. Even if your purpose is make believe I think it’s neCessary. So I wonder about the utility of doing something you hate for 30 years just to end up “retired” and miserable anyway. That’s what I’m trying to do, I don’t want to retire but I don’t want to sit in front of a computer coding up some app UI for someone else. but I have a family on the way so we’ll see how it goes.

I think maybe optimize for that purpose you have in mind for yourself rather than starting a business just for the hell of it. If you are getting paid 500k by google to prosecute child pornographers that’s likely going to make you feel better than starting your own 1 man SaaS business running email marketing....

It depends.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

#38

My entire career has been startups. On average, your startup will be a failure. If you want to create one, then it should be for an idea that you really believe in and that has value. Because you're going to have bad days--lots of them--and want to quit. And if you don't believe in what you're building, then you will quit, and it'll all be for nothing. (Plus, if you believe in what you're building and it fails, you w…

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Re: Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

#39

YOLO I peek at Blind every now and then (and take everything I read with a grain of salt) but main takeaway is that there are plenty of people at FAANGs who pull in a good amount of money but are completely miserable because they have allowed themselves to get wrapped up in a rat race where all they can think of is their next raise/promotion within some arbitrary leveling system to measure their self worth against. A…

I was working at Google and I'm really happy to read what's going on on Blind to be able to talk about the worst problems that are going on that you can't talk about on the internal system.

At the same time it's still a great place to work at as long as you find the right team (especially team lead).

Re: Ask HN: Leaving a Job at Big Tech Giants for Startup

#40
I left Facebook 3.5 years ago to start a startup and I'm quite happy.

Software engineer and founder are two different roles, and it takes time to transition. Don't expect to be wildly successful in any short period of time.

Launch quickly and try to get users and talk to them. Try to make your first dollar quickly. This will help you learn about business, marketing, product market fit.

I believe that starting a bootstrapped SaaS startup minimizes your risk and maximizes your outcome. It's relatively easy to make money and become profitable, compared to other kinds of startups. Once you're profitable, it's hard to die.

Lastly, bring a designer with you from big co (assuming you're an engineer). People want to use well designed products, and simple UX coverts better.

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