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Re: Ask HN: How to legally obtain sports data for commercial use?

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I'm actually glad someone brought this up. I'm starting a company around this very idea: making data available and consumable. Our first site is up: http://www.cfbreference.com There's about 5 years of data that we've culled from the NCAA about CFB. We're adding more every week and will soon go back in time for historical data. But, our twist is that the site will be upgraded to be a completely consumable site. Full…

Awesome. Thanks man!

Re: Ask HN: How to legally obtain sports data for commercial use?

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Regarding scraping: I have a hard time figuring out what the difference is between having a human read a web page with sports scores on it, and then entering those scores in to your application vs. having a scraper grab those scores automatically. In most cases, these source web pages will be publicly available without requiring any agreement to a terms of service contract. Scraping a site and using the actual HTML i…

I don't know. I agree that the game scores, roster data, etc. are facts but at the same time work was performed at some point to compile that data so I assume there must be some legality around not simply copying it and reusing it. Of course I don't know for sure it's just a gut feeling. Wish I could find a definitive answer without having to pay legal consultation fees I can't afford.

Re: Ask HN: How to legally obtain sports data for commercial use?

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post #29

I'm actually glad someone brought this up. I'm starting a company around this very idea: making data available and consumable. Our first site is up: http://www.cfbreference.com There's about 5 years of data that we've culled from the NCAA about CFB. We're adding more every week and will soon go back in time for historical data. But, our twist is that the site will be upgraded to be a completely consumable site. Full…

It definitely seems that there must be an opportunity here to compete against STATS and others. But if (like you) you wanted to compete where do you legally get the stats in the first place or in an ongoing manner. What is the original source of the data? Do you have to pay for game tapes, watch them and compile the stats yourself?

Re: Ask HN: How to legally obtain sports data for commercial use?

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post #33
post #29

I'm actually glad someone brought this up. I'm starting a company around this very idea: making data available and consumable. Our first site is up: http://www.cfbreference.com There's about 5 years of data that we've culled from the NCAA about CFB. We're adding more every week and will soon go back in time for historical data. But, our twist is that the site will be upgraded to be a completely consumable site. Full…

It definitely seems that there must be an opportunity here to compete against STATS and others. But if (like you) you wanted to compete where do you legally get the stats in the first place or in an ongoing manner. What is the original source of the data? Do you have to pay for game tapes, watch them and compile the stats yourself?

I'm also curious as to how you get the data. The fact that there seems to be almost a monopoly by STATS on the data leads me to believe that there needs to be more competition in this space. Curious as to how you guys are going about it.

Re: Ask HN: How to legally obtain sports data for commercial use?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It definitely seems that there must be an opportunity here to compete against STATS and others. But if (like you) you wanted to compete where do you legally get the stats in the first place or in an ongoing manner. What is the original source of the data? Do you have to pay for game tapes, watch them and compile the stats yourself?

I'm also curious as to how you get the data. The fact that there seems to be almost a monopoly by STATS on the data leads me to believe that there needs to be more competition in this space. Curious as to how you guys are going about it.

The NCAA publishes their data as batch feeds for use. We're starting with just using that. In addition to the current data they do that for ( 2000- ) a lot of old data is available dating back to the 1800's in various formats. ( I'm speaking of college football here in particular ).

However, I believe there are certain restrictions surrounding the real time access of data. We haven't come up against that obstacle yet, since we're first attacking historical archiving of data after the fact, even if it's only 1 day after the games have been played.

Re: Ask HN: How to legally obtain sports data for commercial use?

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I had the same experience a lot of people are describing here with STATS - just too expensive out of the box. If you need real-time data, they're your only option, but if you need weekly updates or historical data, I may be able to help.

Playerfilter (http://www.playerfilter.com) is built on top of an API that we are looking to expose to the public (use can see it being used in the URL hash). API support isn't live yet but we are working with beta testers. Basically, we return data for players, seasons and games over any time period since 1970. Please check it out and drop us a line if you'd be interested in more details.

Re: Ask HN: How to legally obtain sports data for commercial use?

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post #32
post #27

Regarding scraping: I have a hard time figuring out what the difference is between having a human read a web page with sports scores on it, and then entering those scores in to your application vs. having a scraper grab those scores automatically. In most cases, these source web pages will be publicly available without requiring any agreement to a terms of service contract. Scraping a site and using the actual HTML i…

I don't know. I agree that the game scores, roster data, etc. are facts but at the same time work was performed at some point to compile that data so I assume there must be some legality around not simply copying it and reusing it. Of course I don't know for sure it's just a gut feeling. Wish I could find a definitive answer without having to pay legal consultation fees I can't afford.

From a legal point of view, duplication of facts is allowable according to Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service. Learned this in my IP law class. Duplication of original expression is forbidden. Stats, imo, fall into the "facts" category.
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