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Re: Ask HN: Low-maintenance alternatives to Gmail?

#31

You might want to look at Fastmail.com, a paid e-mail service with actual customer support. They provide a web-based interface, mobile apps and also IMAP access, and you can use your own domain with it if you like. (I've been happily using it for a few years now, and first heard about it here on HN.)

Fastmail is the best. I make great use of the subdomain mailbox aliasing feature (website)@(username).fastmail.com

Re: Ask HN: Low-maintenance alternatives to Gmail?

#32

Self-hosting is tricky to get right and the cost of getting something wrong is high. One more provider I haven't seen mentioned here is Zoho.com/Zoho.eu They're more business-oriented, and they offer a whole suite of collaboration tools. They're one of the only providers I've seen that support custom domains in their free tier offering ( https://www.zoho.eu/workplace/pricing.html )

It's not tricky, it's tedious. There's nothing tricky about it. You need a static IP, reverse DNS set to system hostname, "regular" DNS for the system hostname, DNS SPF entry, DKIM, DMARC, and authentication - it can get complex but it's quite straightforward.

On the other hand, things like iRedMail[^1] or Mail-in-a-Box[^2] will do most of the magic part for you.

[^1]: https://www.iredmail.org/

[^2]: https://mailinabox.email/

Re: Ask HN: Low-maintenance alternatives to Gmail?

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I use the mailbox offering of Posteo ( https://posteo.de ) and am very happy with it. They're a small business located in Germany that does not do any bullshit (no ads, no tracking, etc.), and ticks a lot of the checkboxes for ethical business (as much encryption as possible, careful examination of court orders instead of automated law enforcement access, exclusive usage of renewable energy, etc.). I usually go in vi…

They look great! However I don't seem to find an option to use a custom domain.

+1 for Posteo, but they do not offer custom domains. See 3rd question at https://posteo.de/en/site/faq

If you want this, then I'd check out https://mailbox.org

See https://mailbox.org/en/how-to-use-mailbox-org-with-individua...

Re: Ask HN: Low-maintenance alternatives to Gmail?

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post #29

I can recommend the folks over at Migadu ( https://migadu.com ) which is a small Swiss email host. Their support is very responsive and I never had any issues while there. I was also a Fastmail customer and I can recommend them too. I actually had all of my email for the last 10 years in one mailbox (100K+) and Fastmail didn't even blink most of the time handling it. Performing an action on every email such as settin…

Migadu works great most of the time, but it takes forever to get a reply from their support.

Re: Ask HN: Low-maintenance alternatives to Gmail?

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post #32

Self-hosting is tricky to get right and the cost of getting something wrong is high. One more provider I haven't seen mentioned here is Zoho.com/Zoho.eu They're more business-oriented, and they offer a whole suite of collaboration tools. They're one of the only providers I've seen that support custom domains in their free tier offering ( https://www.zoho.eu/workplace/pricing.html )

It's not tricky, it's tedious. There's nothing tricky about it. You need a static IP, reverse DNS set to system hostname, "regular" DNS for the system hostname, DNS SPF entry, DKIM, DMARC, and authentication - it can get complex but it's quite straightforward. On the other hand, things like iRedMail[^1] or Mail-in-a-Box[^2] will do most of the magic part for you. [^1]: https://www.iredmail.org/ [^2]: https://mailinab…

...and then you need to deal with all the blacklists. I once tried hosting an email server and found out at least one major American ISP was blacklisting everything from Digital Ocean. And when that happens, good luck reaching someone to get out of their list.

Re: Ask HN: Low-maintenance alternatives to Gmail?

#38
I find the worst part of running a private mail system is the spam. It morphs so often that you are always fighting a running battle just to keep it under control. Achieving a zero-spam target is almost impossible. The larger players (gmail/Office365) only manage to do it because they are handling millions of messages a day and have thousands of honeypot addresses just for spam catching. As a small player there's no way you can compete with that.

My anti-spam system is a relatively new install of SpamAssassin. All my incoming mail runs through that. It's about 80% effective. I've not had the time to teach it properly or tweak the bayes filtering so I'm sure it's not running as effectively as it could be.

I'd like to rent just an anti-spam gateway service that my MX records would point to and it does all the filtering and then sends good mail onto my private mail server, but the costs I've seen so far make it uneconomical for me.

If I was starting over, I'd pay for Office365 small business tier, which gives me cloud Exchange plus mobile sync support for mail/calendar/contacts/tasks. Most other providers can't supply an integrated service that works with Outlook.

Re: Ask HN: Low-maintenance alternatives to Gmail?

#40

Even if you secure your side of communications you're at the mercy of people who send and receive email to and from you. If most of the people you communicate with are also on gmail then your conversations are stored in plain text, just on their accounts. You don't have any privavcy with email and should just treat it as almost public discourse. A better alternative is to switch to a secure messaging app.

Well, the scenario where only part of information about you is available for a single provider is still much better, when it has all of it.
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