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Ask HN: What was it like when dot-com bubble collapsed during 2000-2002?

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Re: Ask HN: What was it like when dot-com bubble collapsed during 2000-2002?

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I was a technical sales manager at a fast growing ISP focused on selling T1, DS3 and "business grade" DSL. The money was good. It felt like we were on top of the world. Embarrassingly, looking back, the movie that best describes our culture/ environment back then was Boiler Room. It's one of Vin Diesel's last movies before becoming a star w/ the Fast & Furious series and it's streaming on Youtube if you're ever interested. Different industry but same vibe. Most of us were recent grads from no name schools. There were also a few dropouts and a few who never attempted college. Depending on where you live, this would be the equivalent of coming out of school in your 20's w/ very few skills to make a doctor's salary almost 20 years ago.

Towards the end, every week for a few months, we'd talk/ read about mass firings or competitors shutting down completely. The writing was on the wall when the CEO brought in the PE guy (who still maintained his role at the PE shop he came from) in as a VP to "tighten things up".I was too young and naive to recognize what that meant but his role was to come in and get the company ready to be acquired or parted out like an old car at the junkyard. Yup, we were being prepared for the slaughter.

That last day was tough. We knew it was coming but didn't know when. Working under that type of environment is a tough feeling to describe. Big cardboard boxes on everyones desk one morning, along w/ an offer to take or leave was devastating & relieving at the same time. I took the offer and used the cash to start a company.

Some never recovered. Some had picked up bad habits (cars, alcohol, coke, fast life) while the money was flowing, making it harder when the cash dried up. I always lived a low key existence. I never appreciated it more than when our world stopped spinning.

Re: Ask HN: What was it like when dot-com bubble collapsed during 2000-2002?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest issue right now is rents. I have 2-3 friends who just signed 1 year leases for north of 3K for 1 bedrooms. My own evil apartment complex (shitty place but Mountain View so what can you do) raised my rent and said I could go back to the lower one if I sign another lease. While your advice is sage, it isn't practical.

If you aren't making enough money to save in Mountain View, perhaps consider relocating to anywhere else in the country? I'm guessing you have some other budgeting issues?

My last apartment complex, the manager boosted how 2 bedroom apartments (going for like 4K) were being shared by 3 engineers so it wasn't too bad. As an older tech person whose room-mate days are over, this seems exploitative.

I do okay financially .. I just don't like getting fleeced. Also, few jobs in tech are 100% secure (the point of this thread) so I have a problem with a land owner who is intent to pass most of their risk over to me.

Re: Ask HN: What was it like when dot-com bubble collapsed during 2000-2002?

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By 2000 everyone knew there was going to be a big correction. Few accurately imagined how big. It was like going to the doctors because you knew something was 'a little off' and finding out that you were going to die in three months. Then talking to all your friends and realizing that everyone you knew had the same disease. Initially many thought it would be similar to the early 90s recession. I.E. A few layoffs with…

Your cohort point is particularly insightful. I had just started my career in 1999 .. I had a bad feeling about the situation and went to grad school right away (after a year). Was a good move at the time because a year or two after I started, good programs had a crazy number of applicants (which of course, raises the bar to get in). Other than the grad school crowd and people who braved unemployment, what did these…

Yes in many cases they got out of tech. One of the nice things about tech careers is that your floor is most other people's ceiling. Having tech skills in the early 2000s created a large gap between you and other office workers. Imagine if being able to read/write was a rare skill. It would make you generally competitive in many areas, because you could learn and communicate better than your peers.

I went into banking because I already knew a few people in the field and they were desperate for people. Did really well, set a bunch of performance records, put on track for various promotions/advancement. Strongly considered never returning to tech despite it being my passion. Eventually I couldn't stay away from tech, but it took some time.

It also discouraged many new students from entering CS programs. This is why the 'talent shortage' lasted so long. It wasn't just a mass exodus of existing tech pros, but also a sharp decline in people pursuing tech careers. The high school class of 2002-2004 was much less likely to consider pursuing a tech degree. This is the reason you can't find piles of skilled/cheap early career programmers with 5 years experience in 2012. That means they would have graduated in 2007 and selected their undergrad program in 2002-2003.

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