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Ask HN: Did your life as a parent affected your life as a developer?

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Re: Ask HN: Did your life as a parent affected your life as a developer?

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post #4

Try to get rid of the commute. That's two wasted hours every day. I have a similar 1hour commute but I only need to be in the office 1 day a week. On the other 4 days I get up at the same time (5:30-6:00am) and I work on my side projects until 8am when I bring my daughter to school and my home-work day starts.

Get a self-driving car and just do the side-projects during the commute.

As someone who suffers from severe motion sickness when I take my eyes off the road, public transit is already awful, and if people start expecting me to do work during my commute I'm going to have to file for disability or something.

Re: Ask HN: Did your life as a parent affected your life as a developer?

#32
I struggled with this for a while too, but I quickly realized spending time with the family is a lot more fun than side projects.

Also, I'm surprised no one has suggested daylighting [1] yet, it can be a reasonable option if your employer pays you to deliver instead of keeping a chair warm for 8 hours.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14217849

Re: Ask HN: Did your life as a parent affected your life as a developer?

#33
I work remote at an early-stage startup. My wife recently regained custody of her 12-year-old daughter. Our daughter is on the Autism spectrum, and when combined with emotional issues and an entitlement attitude, this has not only consumed my time, but my wife's as well. It's a full-time job for two parents.

My "side projects" encompasses more than than software programming -- martial arts, meditation, biking, etc. I used to be able to do a lot of things, but I can't anymore. My step-daughter comes home around 15:30 and it tends to go on until around 21:30. More if there was a meltdown or some sort of family drama (which, in the past few months have happened frequently, but thankfully, is trending less now). I've had to take over getting her up in the morning -- both my wife and my wife's mother have had significant trouble getting her out of bed, showered, dressed and ready for school. Likewise for getting ready for bed.

I've had to accept that my life and lifestyle has changed. (I thought I was prepared for it; I wasn't). I've had to work through a lot of things myself, including periodic, arising feelings of resentment that is toxic to a child growing up. The meditation helps, but ultimately, I had to accept change and the fact that I am not as in control of my life as I used to be.

I had also been working with her a lot on homework -- to stop doing her math and reading like she is mashing buttons while playing a video game. I quickly found that there are even more basic wisdom and skills that my daughter never learned: what it means to be a part of a community; what responsibility means; what respect and speaking respectfully means. We've also been trying to wean her off of the meds and learn how to process her emotions.

Over time, I've been coaching her through different things. Our current theme is "organization" -- how to organize her time, how to organize her things, how to check things off a list by herself instead of "mashing buttons" (she has a tendency to try something to quickly satisfy what she perceives as what my wife or I wants instead of thinking things through, or methodically checking through things). The idea is to transfer more and more responsibility for herself to her rather than helicopter parenting and enabling this attitude of "parents are service providers". It takes time, it's bearing fruit, and this process goes at its own pace.

And yeah, at the end of the night, I'm exhausted too.

Some five years back, I got into an internet flame-war with someone about this. He was working 60-hour weeks with kids, trapped in his job, and I was talking about side-projects. I was single with a lot of mobility. Joke's on me.

Re: Ask HN: Did your life as a parent affected your life as a developer?

#34
A lot of parents really, really like having kids. The ROI on having children is, for them, so self-evident that they don't really think about it. But that's not true for everyone, esp. if you were old enough to be pretty fully-formed by the time you became a father. Kids come at a huge cost. You're exhausted from dealing with them, and in the meantime you're probably not exercising, and you're eating like crap, and, inevitably, just plain getting older.

Step 1 is to reconcile your ideal of who you'll be in the future -- what job, how smart, how influential, etc. -- with the resources actually available to you now. I had to downshift considerably.

Your kids aren't going away, and you're not going to be able to sustain what you're doing now until they get old enough. You need to make a change, and soon, because if you don't you're going to end up wondering how and why you mortgaged your life to your goddamn kids.

I have three boys: 5, 8, and 10. For my first six years of having kids, every time someone told me to "enjoy them while you can" I wanted to punch that person in the throat. I knew they were right, but there are days when that's just not even in the realm of possibility.

There are a lot of parents who are tired, and sick of walking on dropped cereal, and miss being able to pick an actual restaurant that serves actual grown-up food. But there's also a huge societal more to not talk about it, or to aways end with something like, "But it's so worth it," or "It's the hardest job I've ever loved," especially for women. But while it's almost certainly "worth it" for the majority of parents the majority of the time, there are going to be days when it's just NOT.

The cliché is that "The years are short, but the days are long." It's true. In hindsight, the fact that I have a ten-year-old seems insane -- how could it have been ten years? What the hell have I been doing for the last decade? Do I even remember life before kids -- what it was like to just have a wife, to set my own schedule?

At the same time, every night at 6:30pm I find myself asking, "How can it only be 6:30?"

I spent a good number of years just basically resenting the crap out of my boys, which is about as healthy as you might guess. I hated dealing with my kids, hating myself for hating dealing with my kids, and knew I'd hate myself later for not enjoying the young-kid experience while I could. I, my kids, and my wife all suffered.

Now I've got therapy and some drugs and a CPAP, and things are better. Not every day, but most days. Well, many days.

Kids completely take over your life, at least for a while, and it's almost impossible to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Your job -- your JOB -- is to figure out how to enjoy them now so that the sacrifices are worth it to you.

Re: Ask HN: Did your life as a parent affected your life as a developer?

#35
The phrase "Having kids changes everything" is true.

I have 3 kids (8, 4 and 2). When I reflect on the past 8 years my most enjoyable experiences have been first with the kids, wife and friends.

I took steps to work from home after my first child was born. This has allowed me to work at a high demand start up and spend quality time with my family. Now I get to take "wrestle breaks." Best 20 minutes of my day.

Kids coupled with dieing grandparents help you to think about the big picture. I will not be one of those people on their deathbed wishing I spent more time with my family. Know what you have before you lose it.

Re: Ask HN: Did your life as a parent affected your life as a developer?

#36
post #4

Try to get rid of the commute. That's two wasted hours every day. I have a similar 1hour commute but I only need to be in the office 1 day a week. On the other 4 days I get up at the same time (5:30-6:00am) and I work on my side projects until 8am when I bring my daughter to school and my home-work day starts.

> Try to get rid of the commute. That's two wasted hours every day.

I'm not OP, but I have a ~45 minute commute in New York city on the subway. It's one of the places where I can actually relax, read a book, listen to a podcast, and nobody needs me for anything.

(I'd loathe it if I had to drive, though.)

Re: Ask HN: Did your life as a parent affected your life as a developer?

#37
Same boat. Here's me:

  1. My side project is my life.  I don't use the computer at all outside of work. I play with the kids, do stuff around the house, spend time with my wife. 
  2. I moved to being remote full time after killing myself commuting in SoCal.  My enjoyment of life has increased tremendously. 
  3. Like others have said, I don't waste any time.  I read Twitter/HN when I'm taking a 15 break in the morning and in the afternoon, but otherwise I work when at work. 
  4. I pick up new technologies while at work.  Part of why we are paid so much is we have to stay on top of what is the latest and greatest best practices.  This is like Doctors reading medical journals for their particular area of practice. 
Overall, you don't get to do your kids over again. If you miss something it is gone. There is no undo/redo cycle. Everything else for me is secondary.

Re: Ask HN: Did your life as a parent affected your life as a developer?

#38
post #30

I have three young kids. My experience has been: 1) sleep (a normal amount, not extra) 2) being an OK parent 3) a house that is almost always fairly clean 4) side projects/learning 5) friends 6) a relationship with your partner/spouse that's doing OK 7) actual solo leisure time Pick four . :-/ [EDIT] Oh, and "staying halfway in shape" comes out of your "actual solo leisure time" hours or possibly "friends" hours if y…

Did you list those in order of importance, or just randomly?

Because my rank would be (2), (6), (1) and (7) - and (6) and (1) are damn close, since we both need (1) to maintain (6).

Re: Ask HN: Did your life as a parent affected your life as a developer?

#40
I have two kids, one 6 years old, and another 4 months old. Since I cannot spend more time in the office, I'm required to be more productive. I discovered "less is more" principle this way - by putting in less time, I actually achieve more. Also, at home, ususally I have at most one hour to spend coding my semi-hobby project. And this way, I discovered that it can be a very productive hour. Another upside of having constantly inquiring "explain me like I'm five"-type son is that content of my brain's RAM is instantly swapped out several minutes after I pick him at kindergarten. Bottom line: I rest better; spend less time; I'm more productive. (and earn more money)
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