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Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

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Re: Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

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I suspect the most powerful are classified NRO satellites. The public's knowledge is likely a decade or two behind actual capabilities. I recall reading somewhere about satellites being able to see license plate numbers from space but I have no idea where I read that or if it's true.

I'm pretty sure it was NRO that was our customer. Any idea if around the late 1990's the NRO was run by a woman? If so, that's the agency we were working for (as mentioned in another comment).

Re: Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

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I worked a earth imaging system (EIS) back in the 1990s. I didn't have security clearance (almost got it and realized it had no benefit to me but a bunch of crap I'd have to do, or not do/say, so I passed). I'm pretty sure that the satellites at the time could read 3 inch newspaper print under the right conditions which happened rarely. I've got a tack sharp 600mm Canon lens and it's sort of useless for a lot of stuf…

I remeber flipping through some spy tech book a while ago and one photo, allegedly quite famous, stuck with me - it was of a wrist watch on a hand of someone lying on a beach and while it was on a blurry side you could still tell what the time was. From the context it was taken in the 70s and from what I gathered it was a satellite snap. Now thinking about it, it might've been a high-altitude plane (U2) photo instead…

I seen it, but it is a famous fake. A few centimeters is the lowest bound for resolution because of atmospheric distortion.

Also looking right from the top, at the best conditions, from 200km (a stable orbit can't be lower), will give 4cm resolution for a Hubble-like mirror, or 2cm per pixel Niquist frequency.

Re: Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

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> As far as images go, I haven't found any other image source providing a better definition image than what Google Maps provide

As many have alluded to here, there's likely to be a big difference between publicly available imagery and what's currently possible. Sticking to publicly available stuff though, while the resolution of all mapping services varies a lot across the globe, http://wego.here.com provides satellite imagery that betters Google's in a lot of cases.

This is all somewhat moot if you're looking for MIB-esque video of course as these still images are compiled rather than directly snapshotted

Re: Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

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High-rez satellite cameras don’t film videos. Satellite cameras don’t have a 2D sensor you can find in a traditional camera. Instead, they feature a long narrow sensor. As the satellite flies over the earth, the sensor records a single row below the satellite. That row is oriented perpendicular to the satellite’s velocity. As the satellite flies, it scans a long strip of land underneath. It works similar to a flatbed…

Sorry, my bad. They used drones for that.

https://www.wired.com/2011/05/with-drones-and-satellites-u-s...

This article explains more about how they used a combination of satellite imagery and drones.

Re: Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

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High-rez satellite cameras don’t film videos. Satellite cameras don’t have a 2D sensor you can find in a traditional camera. Instead, they feature a long narrow sensor. As the satellite flies over the earth, the sensor records a single row below the satellite. That row is oriented perpendicular to the satellite’s velocity. As the satellite flies, it scans a long strip of land underneath. It works similar to a flatbed…

Video from space has been done by civilian spacecraft, e.g.:

    https://terrabella.google.com/
We know that the film-return satellites were working in push broom mode (or "whisk-broom", as I've seen the KH-9 cameras described). I have little doubt that the primary observation mode of the follow-on electro-optical systems is also push-broom. But not sure I'd want to rule out the possibility that the more recent blocks might also have some kind of staring mode (which could plausibly give video of small-ish areas). They're still pretty secretive birds.

Re: Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

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> As far as images go, I haven't found any other image source providing a better definition image than what Google Maps provide As many have alluded to here, there's likely to be a big difference between publicly available imagery and what's currently possible. Sticking to publicly available stuff though, while the resolution of all mapping services varies a lot across the globe, http://wego.here.com provides satelli…

It's hard to compare Here Maps and Google Maps here. It's out of question that Google Maps provide a superior experience as compared to Here maps. But all the Google Maps imagery is processed, even while using the 2D option ( This is true only for countries with street view, from my observation. It's brilliant how they use street view along with satellite imagery to make a 3D model ). For my country India, the quality of images are slightly better on Google Maps, whereas when I check for other locations like Beijing, Here Maps seem slightly better than Google. It's weird how image quality change from country to country. It must have something to do with how they use their resources to provide best quality to probable customers and also country specific laws might apply for releasing satellite imagery.

Re: Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

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I'm assuming this is all pretty well classified, but I would be shocked if the US government hasn't had the ability to do that for a long time. Consider that back in 2012, the National Reconnaissance Office donated two surplus telescopes to NASA that were substantially better than the Hubble telescope. If those are the sort of telescopes that the government has no need of anymore, imagine what the state-of-the-art is…

Hubble was launched in 1990, is it surprising that 22 years later, NRO telescopes are substantially better ?

The donated telescopes were build for the Future Imagery Architecture project:

   http://www.space.com/16077-nasa-space-telescopes-failed-nro-program.html
They're substantially newer technology than Hubble (which is older than the 1990 launch date suggests -- it was delayed several years after the Challenger disaster).

That said, I don't think they'll give an appreciably better resolution -- given good fabrication techniques, optically a 2.4m mirror is a 2.4m mirror, and everything I've read suggests that US IMINT satellites have been (in good seeing conditions) close to diffraction-limited for a long time now.

I'm sure the capabilities of the satellites have improved a great deal, but in other directions than resolution. More communications bandwidth? Faster repointing (giving more flexibility about which targets get imaged on a given pass? Better multi-spectral imaging? I'm sure there will be some surprises when the program is eventually declassified. (And I'm optimistic it will be -- there's lots you can read now about the film-return satellites).

Re: Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

#38

I worked a earth imaging system (EIS) back in the 1990s. I didn't have security clearance (almost got it and realized it had no benefit to me but a bunch of crap I'd have to do, or not do/say, so I passed). I'm pretty sure that the satellites at the time could read 3 inch newspaper print under the right conditions which happened rarely. I've got a tack sharp 600mm Canon lens and it's sort of useless for a lot of stuf…

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Re: Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

#39

Satellites have had the ability to do that for decades. I was in the military during the Reagan administration and we would roll $weaponsystem under cover when the Russian satellites were passing over. They could see even small details such as which model it was. But more resolution isn't what's important. Other capabilities, such as deep infrared, ultraviolet, radio, whatever scanning is more useful. Sats made U-2s,…

There are some current projects out there where a vehicle is launched that can attach to most satellites. It has it's own fuel to do station-keeping. I know there are some other projects involving a vehicle actually refueling satellites and then deorbiting but I'm sure it is not compatible with everything out there.

Re: Ask HN: Which is the most powerful satellite camera directed towards earth?

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post #35

High-rez satellite cameras don’t film videos. Satellite cameras don’t have a 2D sensor you can find in a traditional camera. Instead, they feature a long narrow sensor. As the satellite flies over the earth, the sensor records a single row below the satellite. That row is oriented perpendicular to the satellite’s velocity. As the satellite flies, it scans a long strip of land underneath. It works similar to a flatbed…

Video from space has been done by civilian spacecraft, e.g.: https://terrabella.google.com/ We know that the film-return satellites were working in push broom mode (or "whisk-broom", as I've seen the KH-9 cameras described). I have little doubt that the primary observation mode of the follow-on electro-optical systems is also push-broom. But not sure I'd want to rule out the possibility that the more recent blocks mi…

The resolution is not that great, 1212 pixels / 2.5 km gives 2 meters / pixel.

The ground wind speed at the time of eruption was below 5 m/s, i.e. the video plays much faster then real-time.

If you’ll download the video, pause it, skip between frames, you’ll notice different parts were shot from different positions and with different resolutions.

They probably abused the fact clouds move in very predictable manner. They took several satellite images from whatever satellites happen to pass roughly above the volcano, and used creative video editing to make a smooth video from those several frames.

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