CIA and the pentagon love thinkers and people with very analytical minds. The pentagon's job is to dream up the future of the world and war and prepare for it. So as an analyst or grand strategist you would be tasked with studying how such and such technology will change global politcal and economic rule sets, etc and what america needs to do to take advantage of it or prepare for it. You can also be a person that re…
Most think tanks are very politically charged. Members aren't supposed to do original research, rather they are tasked with penning opinions that align with and justify predetermined political positions. Secondly, your post overall just doesn't ring true to me. If the pentagon is really this keen on hiring the best and the brightest, wouldn't we have made great strides towards, say, ending our dependence on foreign o…
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's a starter list with links, the history of some of these places is pretty cool as well: This is a good list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFRDC also look at the managing organizations. Non/Not Profit Companies Battelle Memorial Institute - https://www.battelle.org/ Noblis - http://www.noblis.org/ Mitre - http://www.mitre.org/ Aerospace Corporation - http://www.aero.org/ Rand Corporation - http://www.rand.org/ C…
Could you give some examples of the kinds of analyst/research work people without PhDs do at these places? What kind of "formal background" do you need to get them to even consider you for one of the more thinky analyst/researcher positions? I've looked before at some of the places you mentioned, but it seemed extremely difficult to get someone to even talk to you about the interesting analyst/research positions if y…
The non-profit types have loads of people who are not-PhDs who do clever think-tank style work for the government. Lots of report writing mostly, but if you can get latched onto some IRAD type project and do internal R&D work, you can see some really cool stuff -- I'm pretty sure I've seen the first ever real-time fusion of geospatial data from six different imagery platforms in a 3d environment. But even the report writing can be interesting, things like open-source studies of countries, industries, facilities, etc. But they can also be a back door into the lab work if you work for one of the managing organizations (like Battelle). Look into them closely as they also tend to have fairly large internal R&D departments. It's possible to make a career working on IRAD projects and responding to SBIR grants. Both are pure research.
Other places do things like geospatial systems research, text mining, information visualization, network security research (which for lab purposes usually requires lots of high level systems understanding or solid math, not as much low level hacking as you might expect, lots of the work is in predictive theories and social network analysis), pattern detection, image analysis, image change detection -- lots of good places for applied math, acoustic triangulation, emergency response modeling and simulation, etc. Think DARPA style research, which the labs do lots of work for.
If you are into hardware, there's also plenty of that, communication systems, weapons testing (like naval guns), hardware encryption systems, phased array radars, biochem detection systems, rapid prototyping, radiation detectors etc.
Most of these don't require PhD backgrounds, and if you hit all the ones you are interested in, you might find something that sticks.
Honestly, given your background, you'd probably find a better home at the labs than the companies. But the hiring cycle is abysmally slow, don't take a non-response as evidence of a lack of desire to hire. 6-12 month wait times on call backs are not uncommon. Often followed by 5-20 years of happy employment.
I personally found both the lab and non-profit environments a bit too rarefied for my tastes. But I do miss being surrounded by brilliant people every day. Also, keep in mind that some of these are enormous organizations, Google-sized by way of comparison, their campuses can be measured in square-miles, not acres and they often have tens of thousands of employees. If you don't live in the States (or aren't a citizen), there are probably equivalent organizations in your home country. Often there is lots of cross-pollination as well, I worked on projects with the Brits, the Italians, Singapore and the Aussies.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most think tanks are very politically charged. Members aren't supposed to do original research, rather they are tasked with penning opinions that align with and justify predetermined political positions. Secondly, your post overall just doesn't ring true to me. If the pentagon is really this keen on hiring the best and the brightest, wouldn't we have made great strides towards, say, ending our dependence on foreign o…
The DoD/Pentagon has nothing to do with farming subsidies or the subprime crisis or inventing new energy sources.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
The DoD/Pentagon has nothing to do with farming subsidies or the subprime crisis or inventing new energy sources.
In other words, they figure out how to invade countries, not why.
The DoD may not have direct control but they do have some influence, even if only indirect.
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#35Start your own business. Every day I have to do a lot of intense thinking... Every week, long term strategy and planning. Pretty much every business email that I write or phone call that I make requires a lot of thinking and analyzing. Especially since there's always an understand that if I fuck up, it's usually directly money out of my pocket. It's not for everybody, but if you're looking for a job that makes you th…
Running a business is much, much, much more about doing than it is about thinking.
Still, the point is that running a business is much more about 'making sure things get done' than it is about 'doing things' - now, quite often, the only way to reach the former is through the latter, but when things are going well, your primary job is thinking of the next move.
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#36In my opinion the wonderful thing about programming is that it is the job with the lowest barrier of entry, to which your thinking, your thoughts, have the most direct and lasting effect on your employer's business.
As it's been pointed out on this thread already, the jobs in which you have the most effect and the most amount of thinking have very high barriers to entry, i.e., the corporate executive, or aren't well paid, e.g. the artist or writer, or don't have any real effect in the world, e.g., the romance language professor (humanities academic)... that is to say, there are trade-offs.
In general the thing that bothers me the most about non-programming thinking jobs, being a professor, thinking about policy, business strategy, or whatever seems to be the way you qualify or train yourself for the job- most of the time it means thinking or doing things that don't relate to your interest- business school, law school, MFA, whatever- but what do you do to become a better programmer? Program.
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#37Art. Probably not a job, but for a very nice hobby, try it out. Draw or paint something. Find an old camera (film-based) and take some pictures. Then develop the pictures yourself in a darkroom. Sounds like a a bunch of simple tasks, right? Not really. As an example, some things that go into a drawing: What kind of paper do you want to draw on? Are you going to make your own paper or buy some premade? What materials…
While you would think that there is a lot of sitting around dreaming and sketching, in reality the galleries are telling her what types of thing are selling, and she is creating 'product' to sell into that demand. Her studio is full of paintings that look very similar to each other, and there is precious little room for experimentation, because the galleries aren't super keen on giving wallspace to untried formulas.
In this way it's not terribly different from a lot of jobs. Sure, it's much better than most, but I would be careful about thinking life as an artist is truly an escape from the rigors of the real world.
Sadly for a lot of artists, their big breakthrough becomes the rod for their back, because all anyone ever wants is more of the same. This is why Ian Fleming ended up disliking the Bond books, even though they made him very rich. Same goes for endless bands, artists, sculptors etc.
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#38Art. Probably not a job, but for a very nice hobby, try it out. Draw or paint something. Find an old camera (film-based) and take some pictures. Then develop the pictures yourself in a darkroom. Sounds like a a bunch of simple tasks, right? Not really. As an example, some things that go into a drawing: What kind of paper do you want to draw on? Are you going to make your own paper or buy some premade? What materials…
One of my neighbours is an artist. She makes a tidy living selling artwork depicting the local landscapes. While you would think that there is a lot of sitting around dreaming and sketching, in reality the galleries are telling her what types of thing are selling, and she is creating 'product' to sell into that demand. Her studio is full of paintings that look very similar to each other, and there is precious little…
FWIW, my suggestion was specifically to have art as a hobby, not a job. This way, it doesn't need to make you any money. Just to provide an escape and/or a stress relief. And in this case, who cares what others think of your work? You do it because you want to.
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#39CIA and the pentagon love thinkers and people with very analytical minds. The pentagon's job is to dream up the future of the world and war and prepare for it. So as an analyst or grand strategist you would be tasked with studying how such and such technology will change global politcal and economic rule sets, etc and what america needs to do to take advantage of it or prepare for it. You can also be a person that re…