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Re: Ask HN: How is the status of remote working in Europe?

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Post by mrcold »

ionised wrote: post #19
mrcold wrote: post #3

In Europe software companies are more like factories. You punch in, work like a slave all day, then punch out. The socialist mindset created retarded managers. So anything deviating from the standard factory setup is seen as depravity. Europeans don't understand technology. For them software development is like manual labor. Get some monkeys, throw them some peanuts and use a whip to make them do stuff. Overall, remo…

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you just have a terrible personal experience with shitty jobs. My current (UK) company is great to work for.

That's anecdotal. My current company is great too. That doesn't mean all the companies in my country are great.

Re: Ask HN: How is the status of remote working in Europe?

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Post by mrcold »

dagw wrote: post #28
mrcold wrote: post #3

In Europe software companies are more like factories. You punch in, work like a slave all day, then punch out. The socialist mindset created retarded managers. So anything deviating from the standard factory setup is seen as depravity. Europeans don't understand technology. For them software development is like manual labor. Get some monkeys, throw them some peanuts and use a whip to make them do stuff. Overall, remo…

WTF? Admittedly I've only worked in Scandinavia, but that doesn't sound right at all. Every job I've worked at (from small startups to multinational engineering firms) has been extremely flexible when it comes to working hours and taking time off and I've never seen a manager come even halfway close to to being anywhere near as bad as the stories I hear about American managers here on HN.

Sounds pretty accurate for a business-oriented role. Didn't have the same experience in the engineering teams. Maybe I found only shitty companies. Maybe it's just the role itself.

For example, everybody says "there are better companies out there". But all of them seem to be the same. And it's more of a gamble on the position. Find a good team and the company is great. Find a bad team in the same company and the company sucks. Maybe you got lucky and I didn't. Hence the different perspectives.

Re: Ask HN: How is the status of remote working in Europe?

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Post by dagw »

mrcold wrote: post #32
dagw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WTF? Admittedly I've only worked in Scandinavia, but that doesn't sound right at all. Every job I've worked at (from small startups to multinational engineering firms) has been extremely flexible when it comes to working hours and taking time off and I've never seen a manager come even halfway close to to being anywhere near as bad as the stories I hear about American managers here on HN.

Sounds pretty accurate for a business-oriented role. Didn't have the same experience in the engineering teams. Maybe I found only shitty companies. Maybe it's just the role itself. For example, everybody says "there are better companies out there". But all of them seem to be the same. And it's more of a gamble on the position. Find a good team and the company is great. Find a bad team in the same company and the comp…

Obviously all companies are different, and perhaps the best companies in the US treat their best workers better than the best companies in Europe. But equally all the working condition horror stories I've heard from the US completely dwarf anything I've ever seen or heard of in Europe.

Re: Ask HN: How is the status of remote working in Europe?

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Post by ionised »

mrcold wrote: post #31
ionised wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you just have a terrible personal experience with shitty jobs. My current (UK) company is great to work for.

That's anecdotal. My current company is great too. That doesn't mean all the companies in my country are great.

Exactly, it doesn't mean they are all shite either. I'm willing to accept that many are though, but that's no different anywhere you go.

Re: Ask HN: How is the status of remote working in Europe?

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Post by zerr »

wayn3 wrote: post #26
zerr wrote: post #23

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How easy it was to get US clients? In my experience, Americans are afraid of dealing with people from "overseas". I did have a couple of US clients though.

well, its simple. Step 1: Don't call yourself a freelancer. Freelancers are the idiots who get paid after the fact, can't speak proper english and have to deal with money-conscious clients who think $5000 is a lot of cash. If you do contract work, you are a CONSULTANT. You CONSULT. The word implies you know more about what you're doing than your client. Words are powerful. Step 2: Have a skillset that is in demand. S…

Yes, I'm consulting, for European clients mostly.

Re: Ask HN: How is the status of remote working in Europe?

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Post by helengrin »

id122015 wrote: post #6
mrcold wrote: post #3

In Europe software companies are more like factories. You punch in, work like a slave all day, then punch out. The socialist mindset created retarded managers. So anything deviating from the standard factory setup is seen as depravity. Europeans don't understand technology. For them software development is like manual labor. Get some monkeys, throw them some peanuts and use a whip to make them do stuff. Overall, remo…

If I was born in Europe, who should I work for ? Should I move to UK, US, Australia ?

I want to move to Sydney next year. I visited Australia 2 times last year ( I booked cheap tickets here https://au.lowcost.club/) and I'm fond of this country. Now I'm preparing all required docs for that purpose.
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