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Re: Ask HN: How to become a vegan?

#32
post #6

Why can't you become a vegan now by not consuming animal products?

Because it's easy to substitute carbs for animal products and you wind up incredibly unhealthy but "vegan." Big diet changes do take some planning and effort in order to ensure you are eating in a physically sustainable manner.

Re: Ask HN: How to become a vegan?

#33
post #11

In a totally neuter tone. Why do you identify vegan + pills with "healthy diet" and omnivorous with "unhealthy diet"? A diet that leads to nerve damage unless you add suplements to avoid it, do not sounds to me as "healthy" by definition. Lets say that "vegans live longer". This is our null hypothesis. Is the percentage of pure vegans among the longest living people in the world significatively higher? Jeanne Calment…

I think you are trying to draw a scientific conclusion from extremely rare anecdotes.

I would look at the adventists health[1] studies or the Blue Zones[2] for longevity data associated to diet and lifestyle.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventist_Health_Studies [2]- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone

Re: Ask HN: How to become a vegan?

#34
post #11

In a totally neuter tone. Why do you identify vegan + pills with "healthy diet" and omnivorous with "unhealthy diet"? A diet that leads to nerve damage unless you add suplements to avoid it, do not sounds to me as "healthy" by definition. Lets say that "vegans live longer". This is our null hypothesis. Is the percentage of pure vegans among the longest living people in the world significatively higher? Jeanne Calment…

I think you are trying to draw a scientific conclusion from extremely rare anecdotes. I would look at the adventists health[1] studies or the Blue Zones[2] for longevity data associated to diet and lifestyle. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventist_Health_Studies [2]- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone

Not, In fact I'm trying to start some critic discussion.

If somebody claims that a vegan diet is healthier and better, I would expect some facts that support that claim at least. Do you know somebody that became centenary following a strict vegan diet? I think that we can discard directly all historical data of "vegan" people living before 1945 or so, because some vitamins weren't still industrially synthesized. This people either faked their veganism or were really very ill. History after 1945 is relatively well documented; thus should be possible to find inspiring stories about actual vegan people living until 100 Yo.

On the other hand, reaching 100 years with a mediterranean diet or a Japanese diet based in marine food has been proved as uncommon, but perfectly possible, with dozens of cases reported at least.

Re: Ask HN: How to become a vegan?

#35
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are trying to draw a scientific conclusion from extremely rare anecdotes. I would look at the adventists health[1] studies or the Blue Zones[2] for longevity data associated to diet and lifestyle. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventist_Health_Studies [2]- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone

Not, In fact I'm trying to start some critic discussion. If somebody claims that a vegan diet is healthier and better, I would expect some facts that support that claim at least. Do you know somebody that became centenary following a strict vegan diet? I think that we can discard directly all historical data of "vegan" people living before 1945 or so, because some vitamins weren't still industrially synthesized. This…

I'm genuinely interested in this topic. I'm not saying that vegan diet is the best diet out there, but what I've read so far it really seems to be a much healthier alternative than the "western default".

Some interesting studies about vegan diet and it's impact on health:

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2007.270/full http://www.bmj.com/content/293/6560/1468 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/1097-0142(1989080...

All these studies contain findings that support the idea of vegan diet being one of the healthiest option: vegans tend to have lower BMI, blood pressure and reduced (prostate) cancer rate.

Re: Ask HN: How to become a vegan?

#36
Start by just eating less meat and more "sides," like vegetables, at meals. If you eat a lot of overcooked ("Southern style") veggies as sides, expose yourself to stirfries, shishkebab, lightly grilled and other preparations that help preserve the nutrient value. Raw is also good. Learn to eat more fresh produce.

As you improve the nutrional value of the non meat items in your diet, meat will matter less to you.

Diet for a Small Planet is a good source of info. Protein complementarity can help satisfy your hunger. On the upside, most traditional vegetarian diets already practice that. She eventually concluded it isn't hard as her first edition made it sound. But it was useful to me to know some of the nutritional science behind it.

You do not necessarily need to go vegan. Cutting back on meat and eating cleaner meats (Kosher, grass fed, organic, etc) may resolve your health issue with less of a burden in terms of making extreme changes, trying to maintain it, etc.

Best.

Re: Ask HN: How to become a vegan?

#37
post #35
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not, In fact I'm trying to start some critic discussion. If somebody claims that a vegan diet is healthier and better, I would expect some facts that support that claim at least. Do you know somebody that became centenary following a strict vegan diet? I think that we can discard directly all historical data of "vegan" people living before 1945 or so, because some vitamins weren't still industrially synthesized. This…

I'm genuinely interested in this topic. I'm not saying that vegan diet is the best diet out there, but what I've read so far it really seems to be a much healthier alternative than the "western default". Some interesting studies about vegan diet and it's impact on health: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2007.270/full http://www.bmj.com/content/293/6560/…

I'll take a look later...

Re: Ask HN: How to become a vegan?

#38
post #11

In a totally neuter tone. Why do you identify vegan + pills with "healthy diet" and omnivorous with "unhealthy diet"? A diet that leads to nerve damage unless you add suplements to avoid it, do not sounds to me as "healthy" by definition. Lets say that "vegans live longer". This is our null hypothesis. Is the percentage of pure vegans among the longest living people in the world significatively higher? Jeanne Calment…

I think you are trying to draw a scientific conclusion from extremely rare anecdotes. I would look at the adventists health[1] studies or the Blue Zones[2] for longevity data associated to diet and lifestyle. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventist_Health_Studies [2]- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone

Hum, nice links... very interesting.

Re: Ask HN: How to become a vegan?

#39
The great thing about nutrition is that no matter what diet you want to try, you can find a quack willing to endorse it as a healthy option.

The truth about nutrition is that it's incredibly complex, difficult to study, and there are virtually no reliable sources who aren't pushing their own agenda.

If you want to eat vegan, by all means go for it (I'm vegan myself), but you're deluding yourself to think that there's something magical about a "vegan diet"-- which by the way can contain oreos, cracker jacks, hershey's syrup, and any number of other healthy foods.

Re: Ask HN: How to become a vegan?

#40
post #6

Why can't you become a vegan now by not consuming animal products?

Because it's easy to substitute carbs for animal products and you wind up incredibly unhealthy but "vegan." Big diet changes do take some planning and effort in order to ensure you are eating in a physically sustainable manner.

That's a two second google search though. It can start with legumes, beans, rice, fruit, and vegetables.
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