Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: How to make a career working remotely?

news.ycombinator.com

31–40 of 95 posts

Re: Ask HN: How to make a career working remotely?

#31
I've been working 40% remote (two days from home, three days in office) for just over twelve years. I'm employed as a developer, and I negotiated this arrangement when I joined the company. I have no experience of freelancing or self-employment.

As others have said, the key to making it work is trust and communication. Employers/management need to know that you are being at least as productive as you would be in a conventional office environment. And your team needs to know that you are making a fair contribution to getting things done. Each person in those groups will have a different default belief about what you are doing (working or slacking) in the absence of evidence to the contrary. Understand that, and use communication to address it.

So communicate appropriately. Some people suggest being super proactive on communication as a way of visibly signalling the effort you are making. I'm suspicious of this in a developer role, as you can end-up being thought of as noisy and self-promoting. Recognise that the way you communicate will probably need to change over time.

Find tools that work for you and your team, but don't get too preoccupied with tool selection. Its not the main issue.

Assuming an employer is open to remote working, I'd say that you need to: a) show a realistic understanding of how to make remote working work, and the problems that can occur; b) demonstrate that you are trustworthy and can work independently; and c) demonstrate that you can communicate effectively. This is going to be easier for an existing employer than a prospective one. being familiar with popular tools like hangouts/slack/skype will help.

Scott Hanselman [1] has some useful things to say about remote working. He's a PM at Microsoft.

Finally, recognise that it might not work for you. You might get lonely, or marginalised/overlooked, or just want a change. Don't lock yourself into one way of working for ever.

[1] https://www.google.co.uk/#q=remote+site:hanselman.com

Re: Ask HN: How to make a career working remotely?

#32
post #27

About 10 years ago, I met for the first time someone who was working remotely. I hate commuting (As an employee, I have always lived close to my office) and at that point, I had decided this was what I wanted. It took me about 3 years to get to that point. Here is how it worked for me: - Start freelancing. I started by negotiating with my employer to transform a full-time job into a part-time one. This is a great way…

Mix above coupled with the info here: https://www.wisecashhq.com/blog/how-to-have-clients-find-you...

Re: Ask HN: How to make a career working remotely?

#33

One thing to look out for is remote-first companies, not just remote-ok companies. Zach Holman has a good post on this: https://zachholman.com/posts/remote-first/ If you're one of few people in the company working remotely (or worse: one of few in your team), you get cut off really easily. Remote practices won't be up to scratch (because most people aren't using them), meetings will happen in person and dialing you i…

Seconding that. Our company is 100% remote. Before that, I worked remotely for a company that had an office -- the difference is night and day.

Re: Ask HN: How to make a career working remotely?

#34
post #29

One thing to look out for is remote-first companies, not just remote-ok companies. Zach Holman has a good post on this: https://zachholman.com/posts/remote-first/ If you're one of few people in the company working remotely (or worse: one of few in your team), you get cut off really easily. Remote practices won't be up to scratch (because most people aren't using them), meetings will happen in person and dialing you i…

Oh and that in the company some people can view your remote working as a special treatment and there will be an active look out for on-premise replacement - which doesn't help with maintaining healthy relations. If company is not remote first, having contractor relationship is much healthier in my opinion.

Right. I am currently working in one, where I'm the only remote guy. The already tried to replace me.

Re: Ask HN: How to make a career working remotely?

#35
I have the following rules for working remotely. It's more for contractors, so may not be directly applicable to people who work remotely for an employer.

1. More than one customer. Even if you're earning less money, two badly paying customers are better than one well paying customer.

2. Invoicing is always prompt, and payment must also be prompt. Walk away from anyone that holds onto payments.

3. Be scrupulous with the time you charge out, and be aware that if you do this, you'll find it takes 4 hours of a day to do two hours work. Use rescustime or timesnapper to monitor where your time is actually going.

4. Never turn down work.

Don't know if these are especially good rules, but they work for me. I'm on about my 5th year of being a remote worker.

Re: Ask HN: How to make a career working remotely?

#36

One thing to look out for is remote-first companies, not just remote-ok companies. Zach Holman has a good post on this: https://zachholman.com/posts/remote-first/ If you're one of few people in the company working remotely (or worse: one of few in your team), you get cut off really easily. Remote practices won't be up to scratch (because most people aren't using them), meetings will happen in person and dialing you i…

Yes.

Management remotely when everyone else is co-located is even worse. For instance, there was a nasty bug discovered late last week, and I didn't find out about it until Monday morning, and that's MY team. I feel like I look like an idiot to my superiors, and is one of the reasons I'm moving back to be co-located.

I started at this company in the office as a developer, and went remote after about 3 years because of personal reasons (actually remote - I moved 5 hours away). That's normally not really an issue with my company - a good chunk (maybe 40%?) of our developers are remote, so we're used to it.

However, shortly after I went remote (about a year), I moved into management, and all hell broke loose. I feel I'm not as effective as I could be because of my team, I'm the only one that's remote. I find myself finding things out after the fact, having less effective 1:1's because of the remoteness, I find it hard to build the relationships that are vital in management.

I'm moving back "home", so to speak, in June directly because of this. My wife has been very understanding, as it was mostly because of her that we moved away in the first place (pursuing her career).

Re: Ask HN: How to make a career working remotely?

#37
post #27

About 10 years ago, I met for the first time someone who was working remotely. I hate commuting (As an employee, I have always lived close to my office) and at that point, I had decided this was what I wanted. It took me about 3 years to get to that point. Here is how it worked for me: - Start freelancing. I started by negotiating with my employer to transform a full-time job into a part-time one. This is a great way…

A very practical piece of advice! Thanks. This is roughly the picture I had in my mind about how to progress. My mother (who is a full-time consultant now) did this. She'd work at the government office during the first half of the day, then offer consultations during the rest of the day at a private establishment. She carried this on for several years and finally, when she retired from government service, she went in…

Thanks!

> Congratulations on where you are!

To give you an idea of the kind of freedom you get, I am actually French, used to live in Lyon, and married a Japanese woman. When I reached 100% of remote work, I told my wife "say, wanna go live in Japan?". When I told my clients I was moving, so they should expect a 1-2 weeks of downtime on my side, I had an important client in Australia. His reaction was "Cool! Our timezones will be closer!"

Re: Ask HN: How to make a career working remotely?

#39
I've been working for a 100% remote company for 4 years now, and I'd advise that you market yourself as someone that has done it before. Remote work is a skill set - the discipline to work a full day but not overwork, knowing the tools for communicating without seeing your coworkers more than a few times a year, and having built a space and culture in your home and family to be productive without letting the home life disrupt the work... while at the same time, sometimes you do run off for lunch with your spouse or go see a kid's activity at school, and make up the time later.

There is a whole different work ethic and discipline involved, and being someone who already knows all this is a value to a remote company. Because even though everyone can learn and figure out these details... not everyone ends up being good at being remote, so a successful history is a nice bonus when hiring.

Re: Ask HN: How to make a career working remotely?

#40
post #9

Years ago I got a holiday work visa for Australia. I was working for start-up at the time. I worked remotely for them for a few months, which with my savings, help me get situated in Melbourne. The start-up started struggling. They let go of several critical researchers. Eventually I was let go as well, but I had already found other contracts in Australia. Years later I had a break in and decided to take off on a yea…

Thanks for sharing that blog post. I just started a sabbatical, and it was encouraging to read about yours. I'm thinking of going to graduate school on my return since I left for the industry right after my bachelor's.

Would enjoy reading an update of your journey to see how your next sabbatical goes.

Post reply on HN