Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

news.ycombinator.com

31–40 of 83 posts

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

#31
>> I am been rated above average in the current appraisal system...But after advent of this colleague, I see everything declining...as "irresponsible"

I see this as a huge red flag. It is clearly evident that you may not be marked above average for the next appraisal. Obviously being marked as irresponsible shows that the upper level is expecting you to work like a donkey!!!

I would just start preparing for my next move.

>> Changing job would be resetting all the good will and trust that I have built here.

To this, I can say from experience, that our job is to look for the next better job. While this is a bit sarcastic maybe, but really, as we know, that companies won't think of that goodwill when the next round of letting go people comes along. And going by your description, your goodwill is because of your quality of work, so if you plan/prepare/put the efforts for the next move while you are in this job, you will really be better off.

>> I don't really want to portray my peer as bad(He is mostly nice on the face),

Most likely and I think you imply politely that he is not nice really and he understands the game being played and is playing it. You don't want to play that game, which is fair enough, but you will lose as a consequence.

So overall, just my opinion, is that now this job is no longer the right fit and moving on seems the most sensible thing to do.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

#32
The problem isn't your co-worker, it's the company and how they relatively value that. I'm definitely a workaholic, but my coworkers who work "normal" hours are equally valued. (but we're a small company, so we don't have a rigorous review process, and soft skills are highly valued)

In general, and true in my situation, when you work crazy hours, other aspects of your work life may be subpar (for instance, another team member may be a better communicator or a thoughtful architect)

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

#33

To me: 1. If there is a direct correlation between hours worked and productivity for the team, then compensation is not relative. 2. To the degree that emails late at night is cast as toxic office politics, so are attempts to normalize the productive efforts of the coworker. 3. Pathologizing a coworker as 'workaholic' delegitmates the person and their values. It tends to provide an excuse for treating the individual…

Pathologising a preference for sustainable pace provides an excuse for treating everyone poorly "for the company's good" rather than accepting all the individuals as what they are: ordinary folk. Good luck.

[deleted]

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

#34
How to handle him? Ignore him.

If the company evaluation process is so bad that one person on a team signalling - plausibly or otherwise - how hardworking they are with a few late emails reduces your salary raise then you should probably consider moving to a different company anyway, depending on how much you care about that raise. It's not that individual's fault the process is broken, and that individual changing their behaviour isn't going to fix it. If the company process isn't that bad or nobody in management bothers to read the timestamps on his emails when they read them the following morning anyway, then who cares about his showing off (or unusual pattern of organising flexible work)?

tbh if you have remote email access and sending the odd late email actually counts in your favour, and you actually care about the internal politics of appearing to be harder working than you actually are, it's not that difficult to hit the send button on an email you drafted in working hours after you've sat down at home and had your dinner. Or use a plugin to automate the process with some email systems.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

#35
In my opinion, you need to understand the difference between hard work and smart work. Software development is like an art. A person may spend 18 hours a day to create something that just works while another may spend just 8 creative hours to create a masterpiece. There are many disadvantages of being a hard worker / workaholic:

* The expectation of your manager will get elevated and if one fails to be consistent in working for long hours, it's a negative.

* One does not have much room to accommodate something else at times of need. Think of an outage, you have already worked for 18 hours and fail to deliver at that crucial time.

* It's very difficult to innovate in an insomniac state.

Remember, doing hard work is easier that smart work. It requires much more learning and thinking. But, if you are able to do it, you will be able to contribute much more.

Appraisal based on relative performance: This sounds logical. If a person contributes better to the company's goal, he/she should be appreciated for that. Think yourself being that person it should make sense.

Note: I am not taking the political aspects of your office into consideration. If your manager loves late night availability, long emails at weird hours, it is his weakness. Probably, you can be smart and automate sending 'corporate bullshit' emails at night ;)

Or just find yourself a right workplace.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

#36
post #5

Well your relative performance is worse, so either tolerate that or work harder. Nobody's work-life balance is someone else's decision to make.

That is a very american attitude, I'd say =) I consider it a management duty to stop people from working too much (which is a rather european attitude :D).

Management and the union. That's what's really missing here.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

#37
I work a lot. I'm working right now (took a break to read HN). I just enjoy getting things done and it's paid off well for me. I've learned though that my ability to work many hours and my drive to do so doesn't mean I should enforce that on others, so I don't let my teammates know when I work outside of normal hours. I don't send emails at night or weekends. I don't send code reviews on nights and weekends. I try to stay invisible outside of normal work hours to avoid creating an environment where people feel like they must work as much as I do. I realize that also means it might look like I produce a lot more code during my 40~ hours, but I think that's better than the team receiving non-stop emails and code reviews from me.

I figured I'd work hard while I have any bit of youth and energy left and relax later in life.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

#38
It's not about working hours but your value proposal. You can't compare yourself to him in hour to hour comparison unless you work some mundane job where your appreciation and productivity is only measured in terms of hours of work put in.

Since it seems like you want compete with this guy but not put in the hours (and I don't think you should) you need to work smarter. Look up some posts about value proposals and find a way to increase your value for the team. I.e. focus your efforts in increasing your output per worked hour.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

#39

In my opinion, you need to understand the difference between hard work and smart work. Software development is like an art. A person may spend 18 hours a day to create something that just works while another may spend just 8 creative hours to create a masterpiece. There are many disadvantages of being a hard worker / workaholic: * The expectation of your manager will get elevated and if one fails to be consistent in…

>Appraisal based on relative performance: This sounds logical.

I don't think it does. People should be rewarded based on the absolute value they bring to the company, not on their relative ranking.

For example, relative ranking means that you always want to work with the worst possible teams (so you are relatively the best) not the best. It also means that politics becomes more important than ability.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a workaholic colleague?

#40
post #24

In my experience, workers send emails late at night to explicitly demonstrate that they work more than others. I believe that it's unhealthy and it's pretty clear that it's not correlated to work quality. This may be due to any number of reasons – from proving false a manager claiming that they don't work to impostor syndrome to office politics to actually compensating that they don't really work – but that's probabl…

And when all else fails, it's time to learn how to use your emails software's tools for scheduling when you send your email updates.
Post reply on HN