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Re: Ask HN: Are there any tech companies in the Bay Area that offer private offices?

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I haven't sat at my desk in probably three or more weeks. I have great headphones but I prefer to work in silence if I can. Our workplace has plenty of offices and couchspaces and I just move around (sometimes because I get kicked out if rooms). Usually I'm with one or sometimes two or three other engineers. I enjoy that. I had an office once at a small place but it had no windows. It eventually drove me a bit crazy,…

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Re: Ask HN: Are there any tech companies in the Bay Area that offer private offices?

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This is my office [1]. Pardon the crappy photo quality.

All employees at SmugMug get a space like this with a door. They aren't totally enclosed offices per se...the front wall is a metal mesh covered with giant gorgeous photos on the outside, and they stop about 1' short of the ceiling, so they might not meet your headphone requirement, but in general things are quiet. One of my walls has whiteboard paint covering it.

Throughout the day I switch between my chaise and the double monitors on my desk when I need the screen space. But there's nothing quite like kicking back with my shoes off after lunch with a cappuccino and knocking things off my list. I don't think I could ever work in an open floor plan after this.

I usually don't close my door, but if I did I'd have zero visual distractions. To the contrary, thanks to a helpful decorating budget all new employees receive, you can make your own zen space (textured wood print wallpaper is both inexpensive and amazing). We have several open spaces of varying sizes with couches and such if that is what you'd prefer. Convertible standing desks are also available for anyone that wants one.

This is the first company I've worked at that seems to get that different people have different work environment needs, and that focused, complex work often is best done in a private space you can be comfortable in.

Hope it's alright to plug given the nature of the post but...we're hiring [2].

[1] https://goo.gl/photos/caP41XiMfUuFNK1o8

[2] http://jobs.smugmug.com/

Re: Ask HN: Are there any tech companies in the Bay Area that offer private offices?

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I cannot believe that still in this day and age, there is still a belief that open offices are better for developers?? Joel Spolsky tried to set the record straight, what, about 15 years ago? For the record, I don't normally listen to music when programming - I like a quiet environment. Interruptions are a bane. I have a private office, but as soon as anyone enters - even quietly, my flow state is broken. Plus on the…

The argument has shifted to "worse for individual productivity but what actually matters is teamwork." Plus a lot of claims, some of them coming from practising software developers, that you shouldn't trust the output of the lone hacker holed up in her own office. No, I don't buy it either.

Well, Joel advocated private space for developers, but with an emphasis on 'paired coders' working together from time to time to mitigate the risk of 'lone wolf' programmers going off on a tangent, and to ensure code quality and consistency.

This was all before the dot com boom IIRC. At one stage, a few years ago there seemed to be a movement towards private developer offices, but it seems to have been overturned somewhat of late.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any tech companies in the Bay Area that offer private offices?

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Pretty rare these days I would say. I remember having them early in my career, 2004-2006 or so. Now I guess we're all Agile, or something. It makes the Agileness more better if you can hear your coworkers eating and talking about the game, I guess.

Most places I've worked since, even the CEO didn't have an office so it was more of an egalitarian thing. (By that I mean the false egalitarianism that's prevalent nowadays where your boss is your friend, not just your boss.) When they don't do that, and it's a situation where execs get one and peons don't, that's pretty tacky and indicative of a company that will be shitty in other ways IMO.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any tech companies in the Bay Area that offer private offices?

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I also have the same predicament as you, I simply _cannot_ focus in open office environments and I'm not even sure why so I can't curb the problem. I'm not sure if it's a feeling of being watched, or a feeling of uncertainty in my surroundings... or even if it's the possibility of being surprised/interrupted from behind. Eitherway, I'm trying to push the idea of working from home- people aren't very receptive but aft…

> the alternative of course is smaller offices for 3-6 people (...) That was actually really nice. Really? In my experience a small office with more than 1 person is worse than a complete open space (while an office for 1, with a door, is the best). To be productive I need to not see and not be seen; I feel more anonymous in a big loud crowd than in a small office with 2 other people who can still speak to one anothe…

It can depend on the situation. There have been a few small offices where I've felt moderately productive, but looking back they've tended to be filled with people from across the organisation, working on different things. The "team office" which I know is the ideal for some is a recipe for high visibility and unhelpful pressure.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any tech companies in the Bay Area that offer private offices?

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Why is wearing headphones not an option? Just curious.

Headphones and earbuds are very painful for me after like 10 minutes. This is at a very low volume - there's just something about putting sound that close to my ear that hurts.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any tech companies in the Bay Area that offer private offices?

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument has shifted to "worse for individual productivity but what actually matters is teamwork." Plus a lot of claims, some of them coming from practising software developers, that you shouldn't trust the output of the lone hacker holed up in her own office. No, I don't buy it either.

Well, Joel advocated private space for developers, but with an emphasis on 'paired coders' working together from time to time to mitigate the risk of 'lone wolf' programmers going off on a tangent, and to ensure code quality and consistency. This was all before the dot com boom IIRC. At one stage, a few years ago there seemed to be a movement towards private developer offices, but it seems to have been overturned som…

I don't recall Joel being much of a pairing advocate. Actually, more the opposite [1]. Are you sure you aren't thinking of someone else?

[1] http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FiveWorlds.html

Re: Ask HN: Are there any tech companies in the Bay Area that offer private offices?

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>"... headphones isn't an option."

Based on my experience in a very similar situation I'd recommend finding a way to overcome any barriers to using headphones, then using a pair w/ good noise-cancelling, and listening to brain.fm. It's remarkably effective.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any tech companies in the Bay Area that offer private offices?

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Joel advocated private space for developers, but with an emphasis on 'paired coders' working together from time to time to mitigate the risk of 'lone wolf' programmers going off on a tangent, and to ensure code quality and consistency. This was all before the dot com boom IIRC. At one stage, a few years ago there seemed to be a movement towards private developer offices, but it seems to have been overturned som…

I don't recall Joel being much of a pairing advocate. Actually, more the opposite [1]. Are you sure you aren't thinking of someone else? [1] http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FiveWorlds.html

Hmm... you could be right. I am trying to remember a more than decade old blog post, so I may have conflated Joel with someone else. I thought perhaps his business partner Jeff Atwood, but a quick Google search shows that he is not an advocate of paired programming either.

I definitely know about Joel's insistence on private offices for his developers at the (then) new FogBugz offices, but stand corrected on my other statements.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any tech companies in the Bay Area that offer private offices?

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I work at a very large company F50 not in the Bay area and the only people with offices are managers of various kinds. Our building has cubes of various quality (mine is closet sized) but our other buildings are mostly open plan with desk height walls. As a programmer the last time I had an office to myself was during the dotcom era. Sadly it's not just in the Bay.
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