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Re: Ask HN: What advice would you give college students about starting a business?

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I'm a college student who wants to start a business, these are the questions that I'd like answered: - do it full-time or on the side? - what kind of advice should I not listen to? - My skills are programming and designing, what kind of stuff should I learn? - do I really need to move to a technology-rich country? (For the effects of your talk, maybe you should change country for city .) - how do you get customers an…

> do it full-time or on the side? What's worth doing is worth doing well, consider your college education over and done with when you start down this path. A startup is time consuming, the first year is the hardest, it takes usually about three years to become established, though of course that changes from case to case. > what kind of advice should I not listen to? You should weigh every advice you get (including th…

> Better change that

You can't change introversion, because it's not an externally-visible face you "put on," but rather part of your utility function: extroverts (re)gain energy from social interactions, and spend energy working in solitude, and vice-versa for introverts. You can't change what tires you out, although you can fake not being tired.

Re: Ask HN: What advice would you give college students about starting a business?

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- Why start your own business? Why start early?

Success takes practice. The sooner you start, the more likely you will be to end up successful in the end. I started my first .com while I was still in college. Start it because it's a learning experience. It's a way to test yourself against a larger pool of competitors. It'll make you stronger and better able to empathize with future bosses if you don't succeed right away. It'll help you be a better person, more persuasive and help you understand the world better.

- How to be a domain expert?

Do it for 10,000 hours according to Gladwell.

- How do you know if you have the right Idea?

The market pays you money for it.

- Why it will be the hardest thing you will ever do?

It's not the hardest thing you'll ever do. Not by a long shot. Well, it may be. It's not the hardest thing I've ever done. But maybe I'm not working hard enough. Really it's about finding balance in your life and being happy. Setting your own path. Finding your own success and reaping more of what you sow.

- How do you bootstrap?

Get a good job for a couple years. It'll give you valuable experience and maybe help you find your right idea. Save EVERY penny you can. Get a cheap car or better yet take public transit. Live close to work and walk. Get a cheap apartment. Cook at home. Take your lunch to work. Save up 2 years of living experiences. Then quit and move back home. Code in your basement.

Do consulting on the side. Pick up projects from the internet. Work with friends. Tell everyone you know that you are trying to do something great and they'll give you work or help you find it or refer you. People will admire you for trying your hardest and trying to achieve something on your own. They'll live vicariously through your success and feel good for helping you create it.

- How do you find investors?

Network. Build a good product and they'll find you. You'll start getting calls from VCs. When that happens contact the ones you want. Try thefunded.com for an introduction. Look for angel lists. There's one floating around here.

Don't start looking for VC until you are 18 months into your 2 year runway. That'll give you 6 months. If it doesn't work, you still have something that may be generating some side money for you if you are not making enough money to live -- that's where you want to strive to get. Don't expect to make millions, you'll be discouraged. If you do, great! But don't set your pass/fail lines at the same level of the startups you read about on TC or here.

General advice:

It will take way longer than you imagine. A large part of success is proving your commitment to a great idea to the world by dedicating your life to it. Don't spend money on PR firms, corporations, big contracts, or to demo your product. Get incorporated when you get a customer. Don't spend a lot, go to legalzoom or fill out the paperwork on your own.

Don't be burdened by all the legal stuff. You can get your ducks in a row if a big deal comes along or investors want a piece. Worrying about the hurdles will only slow you down.

Use cloud computing providers. Don't buy servers and infrastructure. Host for as cheap as you can, then move if you or your users feel sluggish responses from your app.

Re: Ask HN: What advice would you give college students about starting a business?

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That I do not doubt! Hence my desire to learn.

I think one of the quickest ways to learn this is to jump in on the 'hard' end of sales, cold calls and approaching strangers. Have a look at this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCUct4NlxE0 There's a lifetime of experience in there, not quite 'cold calling' but he's got amazing talent.

I heard one really great line in there "You only want one? Ok you've got no friends. Just like me." after the the whole "buy a bunch for your friends," that line had a nice balance of making people feel like they suddenly needed to show off how many friends they had and yet not making the guy feel so terrible. Other than that I really don't see what makes this guy so special, I just kept waiting to be like "oh wow!"

Re: Ask HN: What advice would you give college students about starting a business?

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post #31

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> do it full-time or on the side? What's worth doing is worth doing well, consider your college education over and done with when you start down this path. A startup is time consuming, the first year is the hardest, it takes usually about three years to become established, though of course that changes from case to case. > what kind of advice should I not listen to? You should weigh every advice you get (including th…

> Better change that You can't change introversion, because it's not an externally-visible face you "put on," but rather part of your utility function: extroverts (re)gain energy from social interactions, and spend energy working in solitude, and vice-versa for introverts. You can't change what tires you out, although you can fake not being tired.

Being an introvert can have many reasons, some of them are 'born in', and are hard to overcome others are caused by a lack of confidence or bad experiences in the past.

You can overcome some of it, but not all of it, your mileage will definitely vary on that one, but almost everybody can shift their attitude, even if only a bit, and usually more than that.

Read 'darkxahnthos' blog on this: http://socialskydivingwithjustin.posterous.com/

Giving up before you've started is a great way not to succeed at anything.

Re: Ask HN: What advice would you give college students about starting a business?

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one of the quickest ways to learn this is to jump in on the 'hard' end of sales, cold calls and approaching strangers. Have a look at this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCUct4NlxE0 There's a lifetime of experience in there, not quite 'cold calling' but he's got amazing talent.

I heard one really great line in there "You only want one? Ok you've got no friends. Just like me." after the the whole "buy a bunch for your friends," that line had a nice balance of making people feel like they suddenly needed to show off how many friends they had and yet not making the guy feel so terrible. Other than that I really don't see what makes this guy so special, I just kept waiting to be like "oh wow!"

What makes it special to me is this:

- the crowd that he draws in on a potato peeler

- his continuous performance, not a gap in it, he never loses the attention of the crowd

- his salesmanship, indeed, selling a bunch where he should only be selling one, and a few more little instances like that

- the fact that the guy made an absolute fortune selling a $5 product to passers by

- the fact that in spite of being a street salesman his presentation is impeccable

- the fact that you can look at it and it looks so ordinary :) Now try it for yourself...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ades

Re: Ask HN: What advice would you give college students about starting a business?

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post #31

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> Better change that You can't change introversion, because it's not an externally-visible face you "put on," but rather part of your utility function: extroverts (re)gain energy from social interactions, and spend energy working in solitude, and vice-versa for introverts. You can't change what tires you out, although you can fake not being tired.

Being an introvert can have many reasons, some of them are 'born in', and are hard to overcome others are caused by a lack of confidence or bad experiences in the past. You can overcome some of it, but not all of it, your mileage will definitely vary on that one, but almost everybody can shift their attitude, even if only a bit, and usually more than that. Read 'darkxahnthos' blog on this: http://socialskydivingwithj…

I never said to give up—I just think there are ways to succeed at external tasks that don't involve changing the kind of person you are internally. Because otherwise, it's basically equivalent to saying "only extraverts can do this job"—that if you aren't one already, you need to turn yourself into one. And that sounds like a defeatist attitude to me—why can't I do that job and still be myself afterward?

But in generally programmer-y terms: I don't think it matters what you've got on running the inside, as long as you can manage to conform to the right protocols :)

Re: Ask HN: What advice would you give college students about starting a business?

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being an introvert can have many reasons, some of them are 'born in', and are hard to overcome others are caused by a lack of confidence or bad experiences in the past. You can overcome some of it, but not all of it, your mileage will definitely vary on that one, but almost everybody can shift their attitude, even if only a bit, and usually more than that. Read 'darkxahnthos' blog on this: http://socialskydivingwithj…

I never said to give up —I just think there are ways to succeed at external tasks that don't involve changing the kind of person you are internally. Because otherwise, it's basically equivalent to saying "only extraverts can do this job"—that if you aren't one already, you need to turn yourself into one. And that sounds like a defeatist attitude to me—why can't I do that job and still be myself afterward? But in gene…

Protocol is exactly the right term, but 'introverts' can have issues with protocol.

I figure that at heart I'm an introvert, I'm just very good at masking it :)

And over time it got better, I no longer have a problem approaching total strangers and starting a conversation, it became something of a sport. And that kind of ability is priceless in a sales situation, as long as it is genuine.

You can be yourself just fine, it's just that if you appear unapproachable or if you can't approach others that your chances of success as an independent take an instant nosedive. So you man up and overcome your limitations, you try to do your best and in time you'll look back at that 'introverted geek' that you used to be and you wonder what happened to him or her.

It doesn't mean you're going to 'turn yourself in to an extrovert', it simply means that in order to succeed you will have to behave more or less as predicted, protocol as you call it. And that such protocol has a lot in common with extrovert behaviour is unfortunate, but that doesn't mean that you are changing your base character.

I also think that there is way too much emphasis on being 'introvert or extrovert', I hardly ever come across people that fit the stereotypes well enough that the label alone is sufficient to predict their response in every situation.

Re: Ask HN: What advice would you give college students about starting a business?

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I will advise students to first get some experience at either at a big company or well funded startup. Work for a couple of years and then do your own thing. Right after college, one is usually full of hypotheses and an unreal model of real world. Best way to test all those hypotheses and get a good understanding of how outside-college world works is to work at some other company.

Re: Ask HN: What advice would you give college students about starting a business?

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post #18

I'm a college student who wants to start a business, these are the questions that I'd like answered: - do it full-time or on the side? - what kind of advice should I not listen to? - My skills are programming and designing, what kind of stuff should I learn? - do I really need to move to a technology-rich country? (For the effects of your talk, maybe you should change country for city .) - how do you get customers an…

> do it full-time or on the side? What's worth doing is worth doing well, consider your college education over and done with when you start down this path. A startup is time consuming, the first year is the hardest, it takes usually about three years to become established, though of course that changes from case to case. > what kind of advice should I not listen to? You should weigh every advice you get (including th…

> Better change that or you will not be doing well. That's the number one challenge you face I think.

This is a very serious problem indeed. Please read http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1209303

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