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Ask HN: My family business runs on a 1993-era text-based-UI (TUI). Anybody else?

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Re: Ask HN: My family business runs on a 1993-era text-based-UI (TUI). Anybody else?

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post #187

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Isn't that just the order of the date components for I/O? It's still just ASCII characters.

But the past didn't use ASCII as such, but extended character sets, or multiple characters sets, which did allow for Russian, German, etc. text interfaces.

There is history frozen into printer manuals. One solution was control codes like DC1 to bank-switch the appearance of a block such as ASCII 128-159.

Re: Ask HN: My family business runs on a 1993-era text-based-UI (TUI). Anybody else?

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I think you are about a decade off on your first git commit, unless you meant they went cvs -> svn or something and then ended up on git later.

There might have been another VCS involved in between, dunno if it was SVN.

Import from SCCS %DATE% %USER%

Import from CVS

Import from SVN

Re: Ask HN: My family business runs on a 1993-era text-based-UI (TUI). Anybody else?

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post #157
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An interesting theme here in the comments (that I am sympathetic to) is "TUIs have steep learning curves but are fast/efficient for people with proficiency". I wonder if a small part of the modern preference for GUIs is related to a lack of employee retention. If companies aren't necessarily interested in working hard to keep employees then training new hires needs to be faster/easier and that could work against TUI…

What I heard from one large chain is they couldn't train warehouse employees on the green screen (3270) inventory app, its too different for them. They just wouldn't do it or would quit.

But if it had a Matrix screensaver...

Whoops, kids these days don't know that movie

Re: Ask HN: My family business runs on a 1993-era text-based-UI (TUI). Anybody else?

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Super late to the party, but Dale Harris Cash Register is a free Point of Sales TUI program that has been maintained by Dale since the 90s[1]. The website is pretty great too. He originally made it for his locksmith/key business. He has a gallery of people using it in the wild [2]. I've always wanted to have some sort of business where it makes sense to use it!

[1] https://keyhut.com/pos.htm [2] https://keyhut.com/posphoto.htm

Re: Ask HN: My family business runs on a 1993-era text-based-UI (TUI). Anybody else?

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post #61

Most, if not all, Asian take-out / restaurants in NL still use a TUI for registering your order. Several motorcyle retailers in NL use a TUI for parts management, invoicing, repair tracking. In both cases, people operating these systems develop muscle memory for their everyday usage. I'm not sure if it's still in use, but for at least a decade since 2005 or so, the local university's student canteen used an in-house…

> if you stretch the definition of TUI a bit, the Bloomberg terminal is a fascinating example The Bloomberg Terminal uses several different UI methodologies depending on use case -- many functions (applications) are absolutely TUIs whereas Launchpad is more mouse-driven. > In both cases, people operating these systems develop muscle memory for their everyday usage. I worked as a UX designer at Bloomberg and when we h…

Aha.

I had to reverse engineer the 1980s style ASW screen and replicate it, bugs and all. It had on-screen side effects where hitting TAB would cause numbers to recalculate according to a buggy LIBOR interpolation rule that persisted until ASW got replaced around 2010. Yet traders would take ASW as gospel.

I spent many evenings hand-marking dozens of Bloomberg screen prints to satisfy Accounting that my calculations were right and our Bloomberg operators were getting fooled.

Re: Ask HN: My family business runs on a 1993-era text-based-UI (TUI). Anybody else?

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Many (most?) older retail businesses still use TUIs. They're reliable, consistent, and orders of magnitude faster than GUI systems. When I worked ar Sherwin Williams, I got good enough with the TUI that customers could rattle off their orders while I punch it into the computer in real time. It's absolutely crazy that a well designed TUI is so much faster. It turns out that if you never change the UI and every menu it…

When we built systems in the early 90's (non web GUI), typical requirements were that login/startup would at most take a few seconds and any user action would have to be satisfied with sub second response time. I often think about that when I am waiting for the third SSO redirection to complete or the web page to complete its 200 web requests after a single click. We gained a lot but efficiency seems to have taken a…

Decades of progress made in hardwares and networks… just to be negated with 100kb+ webpages

Re: Ask HN: My family business runs on a 1993-era text-based-UI (TUI). Anybody else?

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post #151

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It was a customer management and billing system, for a specific industry. Tailored to local requirements and insurance regulations (a lot of things got billed to insurance). There is commercial software available for this purpose, but it's a very small target group, and the products are neither great, nor cheap. Over time it even got extended to interface with a few external systems, mostly by reading and writing tex…

> a few external systems, mostly by reading and writing text files to specific locations The joys of large business transactions handled by .txt files (or equivalent) over FTP (or equivalent). It almost feels… like digital fax, in a way.

The joy of cron jobs sending files by ftp to the mainframe, which falls back to paging the programmer.

Re: Ask HN: My family business runs on a 1993-era text-based-UI (TUI). Anybody else?

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> if you stretch the definition of TUI a bit, the Bloomberg terminal is a fascinating example The Bloomberg Terminal uses several different UI methodologies depending on use case -- many functions (applications) are absolutely TUIs whereas Launchpad is more mouse-driven. > In both cases, people operating these systems develop muscle memory for their everyday usage. I worked as a UX designer at Bloomberg and when we h…

Aha. I had to reverse engineer the 1980s style ASW screen and replicate it, bugs and all. It had on-screen side effects where hitting TAB would cause numbers to recalculate according to a buggy LIBOR interpolation rule that persisted until ASW got replaced around 2010. Yet traders would take ASW as gospel. I spent many evenings hand-marking dozens of Bloomberg screen prints to satisfy Accounting that my calculations…

Ha, somehow I'm not surprised.

I never worked on ASW or its replacements, but assuming they fixed the calculations in one of the newer swap curve functions I also wouldn't be surprised if some poor developer had to add a "compatibility mode" with the old calculation to avoid breaking someone's longitudinal analysis or satisfy some important user who prefers a stable calculation to a correct one.

Re: Ask HN: My family business runs on a 1993-era text-based-UI (TUI). Anybody else?

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> It's absolutely crazy that a well designed TUI is so much faster. It turns out that if you never change the UI and every menu item always has the same hotkey, navigating the software becomes muscle memory and your speed is only limited by how fast you can physically push the buttons. Bloomberg Terminal basically. And then because of muscle memory, it's so hard for users to get used to another system. And then they…

Ha. I experienced two decades of Bloomberg. It was always a melange of ancient Fortran tabbed forms with never-to-be-fixed bugs and newer consistent TUI. By 2010 they had started to pile on mouse menus. The advantage was in typing a command and most of its arguments quickly. I hope you didn't seriously associate the price $250 with Bloomberg training. Everything Bloomberg has a lot more zeroes after it, except what t…

> Everything Bloomberg has a lot more zeroes after it, except what they pay to new hires in Princeton.

I ROFL'd. They even bumped up our prices from $25k to $36k annually.

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