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Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by iamtheworstdev »

ojhughes wrote: post #227
miklosz wrote: post #55

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There's already 10% tariff on cars from US imported into Europe. But somehow I have feeling that even if it would be reduced to 0%, it wouldn't make a big difference Cars of US brands are generally terrible, not sure how they fulfill EU emission standards, have poor MPG which with EU gas prices are very expensive in maintenance. Maybe Japanese, Korean or EU brands manufactured US could do better.

Fords are very popular in the UK and my Mondeo hasn’t missed a beat in years. the European models aren’t made in US which speaks volumes

not to be a contrarian but I'm assuming that's European made Fords? Because, in America, Ford right now leads in total recall expenditures of all manufacturers. It's been an issue of theirs for two or three years now.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by [deleted] »

toss1 wrote: post #282
weddpros wrote: post #257

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I see where you stand, and I hear a lot of negative anticipation. What happens if things actually go well in the end? 1- I think the previous administration used various agencies to avoid justice quite a lot. Heard of a laptop maybe? If agencies were shields for the last admin’s messes, why assume they’re pure now? 2- I wouldn't say republicans started the cultural wars over progressive ideologies 3- The US still vot…

>>negative anticipation Seriously? Please read just a little bit of history and civics, and stop making false equivalences. These moves are straight out of the bog-standard authoritarian playbook. Under well-functioning democracies, the branches of govt (legislative, executive, judicial), and the branches of society (press, industry, business, academy, religion, sport, social, etc.) are all independent with a relativ…

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Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by ksec »

Daril wrote: post #8

For what it counts, I deleted my Amazon account today (and lost all my Kindle books in the process), I'll never buy anything from them again. I'll close my S3 storage account with a US company in the coming months : I'll switch to a German service. In the coming weeks, I'll also delete my GMail account (my devices are already deGoogled since many years). There a lot of European alternatives that respect our privacy,…

Am I missing some big news that happened in the past weeks which threatens EU user's privacy? Or is this political wind happening in US so you decide to switch ? I am reading a lot more about Russia and NATO in this thread.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by lolinder »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #260
lolinder wrote: post #205

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Assuming that you commented in good faith and legitimately didn't understand: Their point is that OP likely underestimates the effect of their particular filter bubble on their perception of the universality of the discussion and sentiment.

Why do you think that's more likely than the top level comments underestimating the effect of "thought leaders?" Sure, "most people" aren't talking about divesting their stocks or moving their manufacturing contracts, but where they ever talking about investments in the first place?

I didn't weigh in on the merits of OP's argument, I'm clarifying what that argument was for the parent commenter, who apparently believed that the OP thinks Europeans don't use the internet (assuming they commented in good faith).

I'd be happy to see other people commenting on the merits of the argument instead of attacking at best a gross misunderstanding or at worst a straw man.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by DBergstein »

danielbln wrote: post #206
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #148

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I haven’t touched Google maps in ages - I use Apple Maps which is decent these days (not the dumpster fire it was at launch - and even so, I used it back then, if only to de google a bit). If the point is to avoid US companies this won’t be useful, but if the point is to avoid Google specifically, it is an option.

Open Street Map has come a long way. It's no Google Maps, but it's serviceable.

I think increase in userbase and donations will eventually make it better. We just have to show up for them.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ctrlp wrote: post #285
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #246

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When I said, > If you just want to share your personal views, that is also welcome I meant your personal views on the topic (how Europeans view America lately), rather than your personal views on media bias. Not that you can't share those, too, but it doesn't add to the discussion about how Europeans view America lately, and to be honest, the talking points I saw were pretty tired. > I honestly believe the only way t…

The topic, as I see it, is propaganda. There are no sources of truth , only competing claims and differing levels of sincerity and reach. I'm sorry you find the subject tiresome. I do, too. But many in HN accept these sources as sincere when they are clearly factional and "biased". I'm not using "bias" in the Rationalist fallacy sense. That is very tired. I'm using it in two ways: a) the ideological, which is also ti…

> Tell me how "Europeans" view the US at the moment.

You were linked a reliable, low-bias source answering this question, but it's seeming more like you just want to spread FUD about the answer and complain about the media, rather than actually discuss the topic.

Your empty talking points about media bias, while unhinged ("propaganda" thrown out multiple times), are quite tired, and it doesn't seem like anyone here (least of all myself), is interested in the distraction of retreading such tired metadiscussion that one could see repeated ten times an hour from bots and humans alike while browsing truth social, if they were so inclined to so subject themselves (I no longer am).

Feel free to reengage with the actual topic if you're interested in talking about it, rather than being upset that other people are talking about it. Please don't reply just to complain at me about the media again.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by deepsummer »

abenga wrote: post #214
827a wrote: post #204

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This is the reality. Most people even in the US don't care. When you ask the extremists, like some of the people in these threads, to list specific concerns about specific things that the USG is currently doing that they're unaligned with, they struggle. The biggest concern is, I guess, that we've banned trans men from womens sports and removed the X option from gender forms? Look, I think its a distraction for eithe…

> The biggest concern is, I guess, that we've banned trans men from womens sports and removed the X option from gender forms? Really? The biggest concern? Not wantonly cutting long-running programs (even international commitments) with no regard to consequences, just to see what happens?

> cutting long-running programs (even international commitments)

Can you name examples that you believe should not be cut?

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by deepsummer »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #263
whynotminot wrote: post #120

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> So Europe can have their LLMs as well: the important thing is to relax this stupid AI act But you're kind of showing here why Europe doesn't have the software innovation America does. Americans are not inherently smarter or more capable of doing innovative things than Europeans. It's just that whenever a European wants to do something interesting, there's a handy European regulation making it harder or less profita…

As a European I rather have the regulations than the AI to be honest.

Some work will be replaced with AI. If you regulate the AI, the work will also be relocated.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by AlecSchueler »

deepsummer wrote: post #298
AlecSchueler wrote: post #263

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As a European I rather have the regulations than the AI to be honest.

Some work will be replaced with AI. If you regulate the AI, the work will also be relocated.

I'm more worried about sexual harassment, the decaying value of truth and creativity, and increasing the power of the surveillance state than I am about job loss.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by AlecSchueler »

Izkata wrote: post #289
AlecSchueler wrote: post #262

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He already said before he won that this would be the final election. If we could rely on things going as they should then we could already rely on them listening to the courts for example. That's exactly why it's worrying, the rule book is being ripped up.

He did not. He was talking to people who don't normally vote, who were there because the economy was so bad - telling them he'd fix the economy so they could go back to not caring about politics, they just needed to vote in for him in that election to do it.

So he said, even with your charitable interpretation, that he will introduce changes that severely limit the power of all future governments to the point that his changes could never be reversed or meaningfully diminished? That honestly doesn't sound significantly more respectful of democracy than the reading I understood.
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